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Roman Empire
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Postby Roman Empire; Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:51 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

wagtunes wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:I´d say that there´s no handbook for achieving this without human beings which I know of, so I think you should go forward with your idea. One thing that could add more realism is if you have a reverb that lets you put people in different positions of a room, and put that on each group of girls (if you would choose to have 4 groups set up instead of spreading them individually - play around with it and see what sounds the best) or each girl separately (lots of CPU overhead needed, threadripper time! :) ).

I´m really curious to see what comes out of it. I´d say that if you have a well arranged 4 or 5 voice choral group set up with what you´re suggesting, perhaps it´ll come to life.

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Roman Empire


Is there such a reverb that you know of? If so, I'll go out and get it if it'll make the job a little easier.


This one for instance:

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MReverb
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Roman Empire
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Postby wagtunes; Wed Aug 16, 2017 7:53 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Roman Empire wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:I´d say that there´s no handbook for achieving this without human beings which I know of, so I think you should go forward with your idea. One thing that could add more realism is if you have a reverb that lets you put people in different positions of a room, and put that on each group of girls (if you would choose to have 4 groups set up instead of spreading them individually - play around with it and see what sounds the best) or each girl separately (lots of CPU overhead needed, threadripper time! :) ).

I´m really curious to see what comes out of it. I´d say that if you have a well arranged 4 or 5 voice choral group set up with what you´re suggesting, perhaps it´ll come to life.

Best Regards

Roman Empire


Is there such a reverb that you know of? If so, I'll go out and get it if it'll make the job a little easier.


This one for instance:

https://www.meldaproduction.com/MReverb


Would go along nicely with MUnison. Thanks.
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Postby Aloysius; Wed Aug 16, 2017 8:09 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

私は日本語を話せません。
One mans trash is another mans rubbish.
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Wed Aug 16, 2017 2:34 pm Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

... or for a few dollars more:
https://www.meldaproduction.com/MReverbMB

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Kinh
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Postby Kinh; Fri Aug 18, 2017 6:22 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

You're not gonna get that unless you got all dem singers together. All M-unison's gonna do is give you chorus.
There's a few tricks that others I take it have mentioned like formant each vocal take of yourself but it aint gonna sound anyting like dat.

On the subject, you notice all these teen girls with clean, sweet vocals singing ...rock music. Well they do that because their target audience is 40 year old men. I know it's kinda obvious in the video clip but it's just strange girls of that age singing, appealing to an audience twice their age. Anywhere else in the world, the audience would be younger than the singers.
Roman Empire
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Postby Roman Empire; Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:14 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Weird, I dreamt last night that there was a VST which could do this. Like those virtual solo singing VST´s, but this time with a virtual singing bunch of girls :)
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Postby Kinh; Thu Aug 24, 2017 10:27 pm Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Roman Empire wrote:Weird, I dreamt last night that there was a VST which could do this. Like those virtual solo singing VST´s, but this time with a virtual singing bunch of girls :)

How bout we keep this forum G rated.
Roman Empire
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781 posts since 31 Mar, 2002, from Spain

Postby Roman Empire; Sat Aug 26, 2017 1:13 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Kinh wrote:
Roman Empire wrote:Weird, I dreamt last night that there was a VST which could do this. Like those virtual solo singing VST´s, but this time with a virtual singing bunch of girls :)

How bout we keep this forum G rated.


It is already I believe, but I get what you´re saying: Inappropriate construction of messages, such as mentioning the words "dreamt" and "girls" in almost the same sentence could lead weak souls into immoral behaviour.

@wagtunes: Rating-jokes aside and back on topic. Without 40 female individuals or a plugin that still only exists in my dream (such a crowdifier-vst would be superawesome!), how´s the progress of your attempt to emulate this sound? I´m curious about how realistic you manage to get things sounding by use of the suggested methods.
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Roman Empire
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Postby wagtunes; Tue Sep 05, 2017 5:10 pm Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Well, here's what I came up with. I'm pleased with the results even though I know I'm going to get nothing but criticism and negativity.

11 vocal tracks to make this.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... -on-backup
Roman Empire
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Postby Roman Empire; Sat Sep 09, 2017 3:35 am Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

wagtunes wrote:Well, here's what I came up with. I'm pleased with the results even though I know I'm going to get nothing but criticism and negativity.

11 vocal tracks to make this.

https://soundcloud.com/steven-wagenheim ... -on-backup


I think you made a good attempt here, knowing how difficult it has to be achieving the feeling of many females together at once. I found this really interesting video on how you can get a stadium-crowd feel to a vocal by using a vocoder:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3IrRsASfCcs

I can imagine that this could also be used for your project, perhaps with a sample of a not such a large crowd.
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Roman Empire
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Postby Chandlerhimself; Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:38 pm Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Here is a video I made using MUnison. For the sound of Jpop I'd detune it more and make it sound more out of tune. Jpop groups are notorious for their bad singing and during those sections the vocals are almost like talking instead of perfectly tuned harmonies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grP-2ZPmumU
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Postby wagtunes; Sat Sep 09, 2017 6:45 pm Re: Need J Pop Vocal Production Help

Chandlerhimself wrote:Here is a video I made using MUnison. For the sound of Jpop I'd detune it more and make it sound more out of tune. Jpop groups are notorious for their bad singing and during those sections the vocals are almost like talking instead of perfectly tuned harmonies.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=grP-2ZPmumU


MUnison is exactly what I used on the track that I posted.
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