j37 vs satin?

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Urs wrote:Yeah... we might need to make better demos. Just takes so much stupid time/money we'd rather put into development.
I thought we had established that any video by Dan Worrall will shut up the KVR crowd and cover both, marketing AND tutorial needs :D
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medienhexer wrote:
Urs wrote:Yeah... we might need to make better demos. Just takes so much stupid time/money we'd rather put into development.
I thought we had established that any video by Dan Worrall will shut up the KVR crowd and cover both, marketing AND tutorial needs :D
:lol: :lol:

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Urs wrote: So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?
Sadly to a lot of peeps and "pros" that would sell Satin more easily. Especially if you make kinda more photorealistic look of a plugin. Before you tell me "but that is a waste of time" i am gonna say i know...

Its like ATM this whole things about product videos and oscilloscopes in the background is a Monty Python tragedy show. Not gonna put names but a few companies are doing it and people are buying this nonsense.

Just recently i talked with a person which told me that Satin sounded cartoonish to him. While Uad Studer was a lot better. I added my own opinion and I put a lot of effort and energy to convince him to give it another try and not look at GUI but hear sound and processing effect of Satin. Today he happily use Satin.

Which was precisely my motivation for starting this thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=487140 and asking for different Satin skins..To make it more appealing and easier to work with for people which fail on to gui thing..

Oh well..

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Urs wrote:
realmarco wrote:and i want proof that it does sound like it
Fair enough.

If you think Satin lacks any proof, read the user manual. It's not copy pasted from Wikipedia or anything, it's written by the developer, in his own words, from the knowledge he gathered doing tape plug-ins before Satin, and while Satin was developed. Every detail is modelled and verifyable against the knowledge and standard literature about tape.

Most other tape plug-ins could, for all we know, just be a bunch of EQ curves, a tad of compression and a little hint of distortion. And many we checked out, simply are. Those have no underlying model. They exhibit the correct frequency response for the correct source material, but they diverge as soon as you drive them a bit more or as soon as the input material has the wrong spectral content. Some don't behave like tape at all.
I think Waves are experimenting with lowering their prices overall across the entire range and selling at high volume. The new Mixdown plugin launched at a discounted price. They used to only discount major plugins when they got old and had been on the market a few years. Soundtoys seem to getting in on it as well, as they recently put a plugin on sale for $29. I don't it will you affect your business at all. Your products are quite different from Waves.

As for fake tape plugins. Maybe you should educate users on how to test tape plugins for authenticity. So they can differentiate the real from the garbage. The majority of users didn't grow up tracking bands to reel to reel tape. So it's all new to many younger producers.
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kmonkey wrote:
Urs wrote: So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?
Sadly to a lot of peeps and "pros" that would sell Satin more easily. Especially if you make kinda more photorealistic look of a plugin. Before you tell me "but that is a waste of time" i am gonna say i know...

Its like ATM this whole things about product videos and oscilloscopes in the background is a Monty Python tragedy show. Not gonna put names but a few companies are doing it and people are buying this nonsense.

Just recently i talked with a person which told me that Satin sounded cartoonish to him. While Uad Studer was a lot better. I added my own opinion and I put a lot of effort and energy to convince him to give it another try and not look at GUI but hear sound and processing effect of Satin. Today he happily use Satin.

Which was precisely my motivation for starting this thread viewtopic.php?f=31&t=487140 and asking for different Satin skins..To make it more appealing and easier to work with for people which fail on to gui thing..

Oh well..
What's wrong with UAD Studer?
Orion Platinum, Muzys 2

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realmarco wrote:
Urs wrote:
simon.a.billington wrote:
realmarco wrote:the j37 is a plugin of the actual machines the beatles used at abbey road.

did Uhe actually go there to measure the machines ?
or was is just a lets-look-at-the-circuit-blueprints

what i like about softubes is that they have videos on how they develop their plugins thats what U-he is missing imo
This makes a valid point.
So if we post a video with one of our guys listening to a Studer with an oscilloscope draped in the background, Satin miraculously sounds better?
i was thinking more of a marketing standpoint.

Like i want model X of X brand tape recorder

i bought the Studer and J37 plugins because i wanted a studer A800 anda J37 tape recorder ITB

and i want proof that it does sound like it
Whereas if you see another post I made elsewhere, I did raise the question, in general, not in relation to realmarco, that for most people, being a tape emulation should be enough.

Urs, I'm not one of those who haver to pursue the most accurate emulations, I think people miss the point if they let their OCD get the better of them in that sense. A tape emulation still functions asa tape in your mix, whether it is a J37, Satin, or something else.

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v1o wrote: As for fake tape plugins. Maybe you should educate users on how to test tape plugins for authenticity. So they can differentiate the real from the garbage. The majority of users didn't grow up tracking bands to reel to reel tape. So it's all new to many younger producers.
It's a long while back, but here's a post where I jumped in as I felt that some false info or assumption was given. Not wanting to step on anyone's toes, but if you read the Satin manual, there'll come up some discrepancy.

viewtopic.php?f=6&t=394049&p=5527632#p5527632
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bmrzycki wrote:
realmarco wrote:everybody hates reading manuals
Not true for me at least. The first place I go is the manual: it has to describe the workings and limitations of a product. It's the place I find that has the least amount of marketing and spin and actually covers what the thing does.

And sometimes you get cool tips, tricks, or history of the devices being imitated.

To each their own I suppose.
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Is there a way to eliminate all the noise from j37?

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mementus wrote:Is there a way to eliminate all the noise from j37?
Yep! You can completely remove it by turning the Noise dial all the way to Off.

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I'm extremely disappointed that I cannot accurately emulate the drive belt squeak from my old ReVox in Satin. The closest i have come is adding a looped sample of a duck into the mix but really i had hoped that Satin would be able to do this.
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This band use real tape loops. Check out the cello/string loops at the beginning - you can practically hear the mechanisms inside the tape machine.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4vRrGCVlMHk

Be cool if a plugin did that.

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you could fake it - add a click for the slice and maybe bring down the volume as you go through the sliced parts.

mind you the whole idea of making your tape loops back in the day was that you couldn't hear the join.
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Yeah it's almost like there's some extra transient information as the loop... err, loops! It's more on the lofi slant. Not saying all tape machines are like that - my brother has a hardware Space Echo that sounds really smooth. You're right though you could fake it with overlaying a kind of knocking type sound and some other whirring/clicking machine noises in sync.

I did find some settings in EchoBoy Jnr that get somewhere in the ballpark.

And this really surprised me:
https://www.g-sonique.com/vtd42vintagep ... delay.html

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It's less about the tape machine - it's more about how you badly you did the splicing - if you stretch the tape on the block that will create a wow and no doubt there are other ways you can mess up the splicing.

Most of mine ended up a bit like these at the start of this song.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5onSdxvdDew
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