10 years and I've still not managed to finish a track, any advice?
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- KVRian
- 803 posts since 20 Aug, 2005 from Ann Arbor, MI
All fantastic advice. For my own two cents, there you might want to check the site hooktheory.com, which is a treasure trove of musical advice (along with some simple software), and also get Chordpulse Lite, a very basic (and free) auto-accompaniment program. Put in a few chords, generate a MIDI file, import that into your DAW, and swap in better instruments.
I also know there are a gazillion looping programs and semi-SAWs out there that have tools to help you put together your first song, like Magix' free Music Maker.
I also know there are a gazillion looping programs and semi-SAWs out there that have tools to help you put together your first song, like Magix' free Music Maker.
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http://tomsmith.bandcamp.com - http://www.filkertom.com - http://www.thefump.com
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Every other day = 365/2 = 182.5Chapelle wrote:I've been producing for 10 years now, I've started a new track every other day
This means you got more than 1800 tracks you started
- KVRAF
- 25053 posts since 20 Oct, 2007 from gonesville
Yeah, that sounds absurd and my first impression was to wonder if it's a parody thread.
If that's real, 10 yrs and nothing to show for it, my advice is find something in life you can actually do, instead. unless the process is just rewarding, and I doubt that
If that's real, 10 yrs and nothing to show for it, my advice is find something in life you can actually do, instead. unless the process is just rewarding, and I doubt that
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- Banned
- 5357 posts since 7 May, 2015
You mean as opposed to all the other completely ridiculous threads?highkoo wrote:Oh, another one of these completely ridiculous threads?
Ok.
My advice; Quit, immediately. Sell everything. Live life.
Noodling can be as fun as anything else. If you like it, keep banging away. No need to sell everything and "live life" ... life is no fun w/o toys to bang away at
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
I agree completely!incubus wrote:
Noodling can be as fun as anything else. If you like it, keep banging away. No need to sell everything and "live life" ... life is no fun w/o toys to bang away at
Half of us probably feel a little bit like OP sometimes, cept we arent complaining about that time spent!
So what Im saying, and the reason for my advice, is that if OP didnt have a great time in that first ten years of noodling, dont expect to have a blast in the next ten...
I mean, shit even if there is no output, the learning process itself should at least be exciting and fulfilling of its own merits right?
- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
Napalm Death finished a groundbreaking track in just three seconds.
Groundbreaking in the sense that nobody thought that tracks could be so short, and it also got a mind boggling title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybGOT4d2Hs8
Groundbreaking in the sense that nobody thought that tracks could be so short, and it also got a mind boggling title.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ybGOT4d2Hs8
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- KVRAF
- 4321 posts since 26 Jun, 2004
Im reading into OP I guess, as usual...
My real advice would be to render every unfinished track, in chronological order of creation, and sit and listen to them.
Eventually you will hear where your process stops. You will hear what is missing. Your ear will keep expecting something that isnt there. Maybe there you identify your "problem".
Then, just take one of those tracks, and add what it "needs", and nothing else.
Theres your first finished track!
Things that have helped me:
Collab
Come back to unfinished tracks waaay later
Deadline or track-a-week, or whatever
Copying arrangement I know and like
My real advice would be to render every unfinished track, in chronological order of creation, and sit and listen to them.
Eventually you will hear where your process stops. You will hear what is missing. Your ear will keep expecting something that isnt there. Maybe there you identify your "problem".
Then, just take one of those tracks, and add what it "needs", and nothing else.
Theres your first finished track!
Things that have helped me:
Collab
Come back to unfinished tracks waaay later
Deadline or track-a-week, or whatever
Copying arrangement I know and like
- KVRist
- 112 posts since 16 Dec, 2014
Make a verbal commitment to someone other than yourself. My friend the photographer made a slideshow "P.R. promo" for a (non music related) group I am part of. I told him I would write/produce a soundtrack for it. Well, I had to finish the job because he held up his end of the bargain. Since then it has been easier to finish my projects that are "sharing optional".
Too many DAWs and plug-ins
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Richard deHove Richard deHove https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=376689
- KVRist
- 395 posts since 23 Mar, 2016
Don't start anything else until you've finished the track you're working on. If you don't think the track is worth finishing then delete it.
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- KVRAF
- 25852 posts since 20 Jan, 2008 from a star near where you are
- KVRian
- 896 posts since 8 Aug, 2011
I have problems with that too what helped me:
Denis Disantis book. I make a quick crappy scratch track from start to finish. Ex.: Open chords here, palm mutes there, atmo riff here, solo ,back to chorus, outro. This way I have a beginning and an end right away that is really helpfull not to get stucked in the middle of it.
I let the song guide me but I do have a little plan like : Ethereal half catchy half prog. Now I start from the begining again and improve every sections to my taste so it feels more like making a cover better than scratching my head wondering what should I do next.
When a little block comes I listen to the entire song and add markers: back vox here, doubling guitars there, weird sound fx there, etc. So I always have markers and know what to do next.
Then I focus on only one task. If its just finding the right flanger for today so be it. If you think about all you have to do to finish the song its a huge mountain of work and a drag. One little mission at a time, releasing the pressure having fun like a kid with your toys and really getting into it without watching the clock...except when you have deadline !
Denis Disantis book. I make a quick crappy scratch track from start to finish. Ex.: Open chords here, palm mutes there, atmo riff here, solo ,back to chorus, outro. This way I have a beginning and an end right away that is really helpfull not to get stucked in the middle of it.
I let the song guide me but I do have a little plan like : Ethereal half catchy half prog. Now I start from the begining again and improve every sections to my taste so it feels more like making a cover better than scratching my head wondering what should I do next.
When a little block comes I listen to the entire song and add markers: back vox here, doubling guitars there, weird sound fx there, etc. So I always have markers and know what to do next.
Then I focus on only one task. If its just finding the right flanger for today so be it. If you think about all you have to do to finish the song its a huge mountain of work and a drag. One little mission at a time, releasing the pressure having fun like a kid with your toys and really getting into it without watching the clock...except when you have deadline !
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- KVRAF
- 9577 posts since 16 Dec, 2002
We'd still be painting on cave walls with our own excrement if we followed that ruleRichard deHove wrote:Don't start anything else until you've finished the track you're working on.
Amazon: why not use an alternative
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Richard deHove Richard deHove https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=376689
- KVRist
- 395 posts since 23 Mar, 2016
Really? An even simpler version is "Finish what you start". Might be why there's not many half-drawn bisons at Chauvet caves.VariKusBrainZ wrote:We'd still be painting on cave walls with our own excrement if we followed that ruleRichard deHove wrote:Don't start anything else until you've finished the track you're working on.
Omnisphere & ArcSyn patches: https://richarddehove.com/soundware/
My music: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-XdT2 ... 55tGwjEDUA
My music: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC-XdT2 ... 55tGwjEDUA