KVR Audio

artificialmusic · Post by **artificialmusic** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 8:39 pm

Hey guys I need a vst synth with good sine wave oscillators. Something similar to strobe or operator in ableton. I just want a fat sounding osc for sins without using a lot of processing for really deep sub bass that cuts through the mix. I can get it pretty good with the two mentioned above, aswell as the triangle wave in diva, but I want something more. something kinda like a fat 808 or something that goes really deep. anyone know of any off the top of their head? minimal processing after the osc is key here.

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 10:23 pm

Only sine waves ? Try Gsinth or Gsinth 2.

layzer · Post by **layzer** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:24 pm

any FM synth

Halonmusic · Post by **Halonmusic** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:32 pm

^ Yes. Try out Dexed, JuceOPL or any FM synth.

fmr · Post by **fmr** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:35 pm

Sorry, I wasn't sure I should write, but there is something confusing me. What do you mean with a "fat sine"? A sine is a single harmonic, with no partials whatsoever. How can you enrich it (make it fatter) unless you apply some kind of harmonic distortion? But in that case, it isn't a sine anymore

Seems to me you are loking for the wrong wave. You would better look for an addtive synth (or a synth with additive oscillators, something like Rhino, or Octopus), and start by creating a wave that really suits what you look for (which is NOT a pure sine, but some kind of smooth triangle, or smooth square, IMO).

Teksonik · Post by **Teksonik** » Wed Aug 23, 2017 11:41 pm

Sometimes the answer is right under our noses..........

exmatproton · Post by **exmatproton** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 8:43 am

A "fat sine"? You mean a sine with 'extra' harmonics? A non-sine?

Try any synth with a saw and a good filter (kb tracked) and create your own "fat sine".

fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 24, 2017 12:56 pm

I think in many cases what one thinks is a sine is actually a pulse with very low cutoff frequency.
Sine alone is utterly boring and often seems to display severe volume fluctuations across the keyboard. That's why I don't even use it for sub-oscillators anymore.

whyterabbyt · Post by **whyterabbyt** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:06 pm

Send them through an impulse response of a square wheel.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 1:45 pm

The sound engine in Largo is quite beefy. Also, the sine wave got a lovely "click" in Largo. I guess, in most VA synths, they removed that clicky attack, which is a shame, because it can be quite useful. Spire is another synth which has the click.

artificialmusic · Post by **artificialmusic** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:22 pm

thanks for the recommendations guys, ill look into fm synths. i guess i forgot sines are just single harmonics so it doesnt make sense, but you know what i mean.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:28 pm

Bazille...

fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:53 pm

Low sine waves are creepy

They show up on the meters although I don't hear them anymore.

fluffy_little_something · Thu Aug 24, 2017 4:55 pm

chk071 wrote:The sound engine in Largo is quite beefy. Also, the sine wave got a lovely "click" in Largo. I guess, in most VA synths, they removed that clicky attack, which is a shame, because it can be quite useful. Spire is another synth which has the click.

Hm, isn't that an envelope or phase issue?
Not even sure what a sine click sounds like...

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Thu Aug 24, 2017 5:03 pm

If you set phase retriggering, and you set the phase start to 90°, or the highest (or lowest) point of the sine's amplitude, it should produce a click. Obviously, most devs seem to think that this is an undesirable thing, or the respective envelopes are too slow, so they don't produce a click.

You can check for yourself, Largo and Spire definitely produce that clicky attack (i think Z3TA 2 also). Sylenth1 hardly has a click to the attack, nor have Retrologue, Electra2, and Dune 1/2.

soft synth with fat sine wave oscillators