himalaya wrote:But there are examples where timbre is all there is. It's mostly in some electronic music styles, where for example, melody can be absent, harmony can be absent and the main recognisable aspect is a sound or several sounds. Maybe it's all about complex production techniques which create a deep tapestry of sounds with a minimal or no melody and/or harmony...so here changing the 'instrumentation', the sounds, may render the music piece unrecognisable.
I'm talking from the beginning about music that is driven by timbre. Yes, I'm making pure electronic music. Its all about timbre there. But as you can see, I'm not talking about "recognize" things. Never talked about this, and (again) specified many time by now.
When you hear a song you are not enjoying it because you recognize it. You don't like Eleanor Rigby becuase you recognize its Eleanor Rigby, but for what it can trasmit to you. And as for electronic track, it also trasmit color/timbre. You don't care about timbre? Ok, but I wouldn't elevate this to be common in music.
himalaya wrote:If you play 'All you need is Love" on the Gibson and the toy guitar IT IS STILL THE SAME MUSIC PIECE. Different sounds, different timbre but the same music.
That's subjective, I'm not on this topic. Is again just recognition.
himalaya wrote:Are you saying that Pro Speaker A adds more mid-to-low end, and Pro Speaker B exaggerates the top end, and this is such a huge difference between those two speaker sets that it changes the song itself on both and we can not recognise it any more? This is silly and totally wrong. The speakers will not affect the melody, which is the very first thing that will allow you to recognise the song.
Take this statement, avoid the concept of "recognition" and swap it with "enjoying" the song, thinking on a piece of electronic music (i.e. what I'm talking about since page 3): am I still totally wrong?
The "exaggerates the top end" can't give to me a perception of the track elements I'm listening (i.e. what I perceive as pad or kick) "harsher" than the one with "mid-to-low end"?
Of course I recognize it as "the same song" (whatever this phrase would mean), but won't it trasmit to me different emotions since the elements of it (that pad or kick) play in different ways/shades? This is that "don't matter" you all sustain (without any explanations) and I'm really not able to digest.
Please note: I'm not able to digest that this "doesn't matter" (because for me it could), not that this doesn't happens.
himalaya wrote:One very simple explanation why none of this matters is because you have no control over it.
So one explanation that "it doesn't matter" is because you don't have control over it? It doesn't makes ANY sense.
So the world hunger doesn't matter because I can't resolve it? Come one!! It seems "it matters", but you can't do anything for it, so you can only ACCEPT it. But don't say "it doesn't matter": totally different think, approach and awareness.
Gamma-UT wrote:Logic fail. If you can't make an accurate comparison under any circumstances you have no way to decide that the reason for any difference under different media is due to those differences. You can only make an assumption.
I said "accurate", read well. Of course I can't catch if there are differences between two setups of about 0.8db at 2khz. But I'm not here for catching subatomic things. Really do you perceive the same between your headphone and your loudspeakers? You don't, you all confirmed this. The question is why it doesn't matter (again...).
Gamma-UT wrote:Answered many times - for most people.
Still waiting those explanations.
Gamma-UT wrote:As you feel under no obligation to provide reasons for why it matters to you, why should anyone try to explain those reasons?
I'm the one who ask, so if you provide a reply, you should also provide the motivation.
I provide a reason for why it could matters for me (just read some lines above).
As well you should provide why it shouldn't matter, if you say "it doesn't matter".
Said "you are biased" is just (as jancivil said) an hilarious statement.