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Jace-BeOS
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3873 posts since 7 Jan, 2005, from Corporate States of America

Postby Jace-BeOS; Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:01 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

I used a plain text editor to build my website out of tables. It lacks all the Web 2.0 nonsense that has turned the internet into a bloated mess and slowed browsing. It also lacks any real sense of design and speed of posting new content, so I started using SoundCloud. The convenience totally wins.

http://music.dysamoria.com/

I hate CSS with a burning passion. Trying to cusomtize Wordpress templates is a frelling nightmare. Every time I think I will tackle it, the results are extremely frustrating and take a day to do simple things. I definitely didn't want a template that looks like every other website, but that's impossible now, since everything pretty much is designed for the flat fad. So I ended up modifying a template anyway. The result sucks but I gave up putting more effort into it.

http://blog.dysamoria.com/

Ultimately, I hate what the internet has become. WYSIWYG editors were never brilliant but the advent of CSS destroyed all possibility of it. It's possible to still do standard HTML, but the tools aren't really geared for it anymore. Plus Adobe's Dreamweaver is a subscription service. No way.

So, until some new paradigm comes along, I'm using SoundCloud for the convenience. At worst, you can make a simple HTML web page with embedded SoundCloud content, if you really want to make your listeners go to your own domain. It might help them avoid being forced to listen to music that's not yours (last time I sent my parents to my SoundCloud, they listened to the song I sent them to and was then immediately given someone else's music, which is confusing and annoying).

As for learning HTML, it's very simple with a reference page open. It's just formatting codes. Remember to close all the tags that need closing (which I think is all of them now)... I'm not an HTML pro. Point is: being a non-expert at HTML still lets you post stuff if you don't care about design. Just remember to look at the page on multiple devices and consider the text size for visitors who might have poor eyesight and be using mobile devices. You don't need "responsive" design BS to accomplish an HTML page that works on mobile, especially if you don't care about desktop views of the same page looking somewhat larger than necessary.
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my music @ SoundCloud
surferman
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Postby surferman; Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:52 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

I have to agree with the way of the web, Jace-Be-Os. I still use Dreamweaver from CS 5.5 and it works but I just don't like to take the time for it anymore. Themify's method with an onsite builder with plugins works well and is fairly easy to update once you have the basic structure set up. Other Wordpress providers have a similar system. Is it the best, no, but once configured it is quick and easy to upload songs and add content.
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Jace-BeOS
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3873 posts since 7 Jan, 2005, from Corporate States of America

Postby Jace-BeOS; Wed Sep 13, 2017 11:47 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

surferman wrote:I have to agree with the way of the web, Jace-Be-Os. I still use Dreamweaver from CS 5.5 and it works but I just don't like to take the time for it anymore. Themify's method with an onsite builder with plugins works well and is fairly easy to update once you have the basic structure set up. Other Wordpress providers have a similar system. Is it the best, no, but once configured it is quick and easy to upload songs and add content.


I hear you. The time invested vs the value it generates... generally leads to taking the easy route.

For my blog, at first I wanted to put the time into it... but not as much as would be needed to build the entire thing myself. Without code integration with a server-side database backend (all outside my skill set), I couldn't create my own content management system, so I went with Wordpress. It's not an important blog. It's not my job. There will never be money coming in from it. So Wordpress it was. But that was already far too much misery for me. I hate all the themes so I tried to customize one. Probably will be the last time I ever do such a thing. It's so not worth the pain. CSS is hell.

If I ever make a proper website again, I'll either have to do it in an old version of Dreamweaver or hire someone to build and maintain it for me. This factor alone nearly eliminates the likelihood of ever again having a proper website of my own. But I don't need one. I'm not marketing myself. I've nothing to sell.

I'm just bitter about how much more convoluted and complicated things are, rather than simplified. Sure, if you want a generic blog, with generic functionality, and someone else's template/theme doesn't bother you, then it's great. If you don't like the current design of everything, you're screwed and pretty much have to do it all from scratch yourself (or go without content management functionality; for blogs, that's a no go).

The specialist knowledge necessary to do EVERYTHING on my own has gotten far beyond my motivation to put the time and effort into learning and doing the work. I already have to do everything as a musician, so screw being a web developer on top of it. Used to be I would learn how to do everything on my own, but I'm so very over that now.

So ultimately, I promote people using the premade crap and services like SoundCloud. It's far less painful ... unless you really really have specific preferences (like me; ugly design is pain enough, ha ha).
- dysamoria.com
my music @ SoundCloud
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planetearth
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1213 posts since 10 Jul, 2006, from Tampa

Postby planetearth; Wed Sep 13, 2017 3:58 pm Re: Music web page for friends and family question

xabkr wrote:ghettosynth, Thank you for your time. You are right and wrong :)
I have read your post and looked at bootstrap templates.
You are right that I do not know what I do not know.

I have a website (not related to music) that was built by my friend long time ago.
I showed him layout, gave him graphics and how I want it to work and he put it together for me. He is a very busy guy, so I am trying to find a way not to bother him for this. Quote: " but you will probably have to study HTML for anywhere from a week to six months to use it"

--Ideally, yes But I just do not have this time and this is a one time deal. If done as I see it, it should last for good 10 years without maintenance with only updates is me uploading new album covers and tracks. So each new album would be placed in the page grid automatically by me creating a folder and placing cover picture and tracks in that folder.

Now that I posted example picture of the layout.... maybe somebody can suggest where to go to make this inexpensive way, considering that I have a domain and hosting space already.
This is how I see it. Somebody who knows how to do this, should not take more than 1 - 1 1/2 hours to make, considering I provide graphics. Where to find someone reliable who can do this at fair price?

Thank you.

I think that, based upon your statement that you had your own site and plenty of space, we assumed you had created websites and were familiar with HTML coding. If you're not, you can pop a WordPress page onto your site and embed SoundCloud links very quickly and easily. And it's all free. Even the WordPress theme could be free (or inexpensive).

Your site could look like what you want, based upon whichever free WordPress theme you chose. But you uploading your own tracks and creating links to them and the associated images by hand in HTML sounds like more HTML coding (and troubleshooting when there's a problem) than you're ready to do. That's all fine, but it does limit your options to a hosted service like SoundCloud (free) with links to your songs and cover art automatically displayed on your WordPress page.

I have something like this for one of my sites. SoundCloud lets you put the image to a link in almost any size you'd like, so I chose a large size for some and a small size for others:

https://shdesignssite.wordpress.com/mus ... n-the-snow

https://shdesignssite.wordpress.com/mus ... e-sky-days

No one has to go to my SC page, and I can put anything else I want on these pages. I can even put a table on the main page with links to each song, just like you want yours--I just never bothered. None of this cost me anything, and even though I've designed and built websites, I did this just to make it easy for myself and for the people who visit the site.

Outside of what people have suggested here, you'd have to find a web designer and pay him or her to design your site. If you're going to do that, I'd suggest you start at fiverr.com, where people will do very basic web design for very little money. That may work well for what you want, and give you the custom site you want. Unfortunately, you won't be able to edit it on your own (like you could with WordPress), since you're not comfortable with HTML coding.

Steve
Listen to some of my stuff here: https://soundcloud.com/shadowsoflife.
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planetearth
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1213 posts since 10 Jul, 2006, from Tampa

Postby planetearth; Wed Sep 13, 2017 4:05 pm Re: Music web page for friends and family question

Jace-BeOS wrote:
surferman wrote:I have to agree with the way of the web, Jace-Be-Os. I still use Dreamweaver from CS 5.5 and it works but I just don't like to take the time for it anymore. Themify's method with an onsite builder with plugins works well and is fairly easy to update once you have the basic structure set up. Other Wordpress providers have a similar system. Is it the best, no, but once configured it is quick and easy to upload songs and add content.


I hear you. The time invested vs the value it generates... generally leads to taking the easy route.

For my blog, at first I wanted to put the time into it... but not as much as would be needed to build the entire thing myself. Without code integration with a server-side database backend (all outside my skill set), I couldn't create my own content management system, so I went with Wordpress. It's not an important blog. It's not my job. There will never be money coming in from it. So Wordpress it was. But that was already far too much misery for me. I hate all the themes so I tried to customize one. Probably will be the last time I ever do such a thing. It's so not worth the pain. CSS is hell.

If I ever make a proper website again, I'll either have to do it in an old version of Dreamweaver or hire someone to build and maintain it for me. This factor alone nearly eliminates the likelihood of ever again having a proper website of my own. But I don't need one. I'm not marketing myself. I've nothing to sell.

I'm just bitter about how much more convoluted and complicated things are, rather than simplified. Sure, if you want a generic blog, with generic functionality, and someone else's template/theme doesn't bother you, then it's great. If you don't like the current design of everything, you're screwed and pretty much have to do it all from scratch yourself (or go without content management functionality; for blogs, that's a no go).

The specialist knowledge necessary to do EVERYTHING on my own has gotten far beyond my motivation to put the time and effort into learning and doing the work. I already have to do everything as a musician, so screw being a web developer on top of it. Used to be I would learn how to do everything on my own, but I'm so very over that now.

So ultimately, I promote people using the premade crap and services like SoundCloud. It's far less painful ... unless you really really have specific preferences (like me; ugly design is pain enough, ha ha).

I'm with you on pretty much all of this. But good luck getting old versions of Dreamweaver to work in new operating systems like Windows 10 or macOS High Sierra. My old version of Dreamweaver (from Macromedia's last version of it) doesn't work in Windows 10, and even some of the relatively newer Adobe ones don't, either. Part of the blame is on Adobe, but there's not much the rest of us can do.

Steve
Listen to some of my stuff here: https://soundcloud.com/shadowsoflife.
xabkr
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24 posts since 21 Apr, 2014

Postby xabkr; Wed Sep 13, 2017 7:58 pm Re: Music web page for friends and family question

Wow! Lots of good reads!
I owned a few websites for past 18 years. All were custom made by a friend (no templates or such) Simple, yet functional. Most of them worked well without any maintenance for over 10 years! It took him less than a day to make each one of them. The beauty of these sites is that I had full control with my hosting / my design no advertisement crap etc. I did not keep up with how new pages are made... However, as I understand, there is no magic bullet (ready made template) that will do exactly what I want. In reality, I believe it will take an hour or two PHP / Java automation programming to make what I want and that, if done right, should last for many years.

P.S. I tried soundcloud, but I wish to host my own music without any external services.

I thank you all. Long live KVR! :tu:
AnX
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2050 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Postby AnX; Wed Sep 13, 2017 9:32 pm Re: Music web page for friends and family question

Just make a simple webpage with a text editor and embed an mp3 player into it.

Really simple to do, no fuss, no frills.
xabkr
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24 posts since 21 Apr, 2014

Postby xabkr; Thu Sep 14, 2017 3:13 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

AnX, thanks. If I had about 20 tracks, it would work just fine as you mentioned, but I have over 70 tracks, that is why I want to group them in albums... It is not hard to find someone to custom write this script.... I asked on this forum, because I thought that it was something common and already written.

Best regards,
M.
AnX
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2050 posts since 17 Nov, 2015

Postby AnX; Thu Sep 14, 2017 4:59 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

If you make each folder public, or the main folder with each album in a sub folder, they should be able to access them without a web page...

www.artist.com/albums/album1

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Richard deHove
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207 posts since 22 Mar, 2016

Postby Richard deHove; Thu Sep 14, 2017 6:15 am Re: Music web page for friends and family question

I used to do a lot of webdev work. Custom sites can be vulnerable to exploits - even more so than being on one of the big platforms.

I think the fastest path is to use Wordpress with the default theme: Which is free.
https://wordpress.org/

Then embed your audio:
https://wphowto.net/how-to-add-mp3-audi ... s-site-255

If you want an all-in-one extras pack then add Jetpack, which is also free and also has audio shortcodes:
https://jetpack.com/
https://jetpack.com/support/shortcode-embeds/

If you don't use Jetpack then at the least load one security plugin. Wordfence is very good (free):
https://wordpress.org/plugins/wordfence/

Possibly add a free MP3 plugin for more customization:
https://wordpress.org/plugins/wp-miniaudioplayer/

Or pay for a premium player for playlists and other features:
https://codecanyon.net/category/wordpre ... g&term=mp3
From memory I think it's possible to find some which read folder contents to automatically create playlists.
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