whyterabbyt wrote:But adapting to your shifted goalposts, then by logical consistency - if anyone who can perceive it doesn't think it matters, then it doesnt matter, yes?
Its not shifted. It wrap into my logic. Somethings different must happened before you can conclude it does or it doesn't happens. If all stay the same (i.e. you don't get the difference in perception), it seems logic to me that reasoning if "matter" make no sense. Nothing is changed, so of course it doesn't matter.
The question is if it matter once somethings change. That's why I analyze only the part where there are differences (i.e. you get the differences). I don't have any degree in logic, so proably you will destroy me in this kind of things. But really we are reasoning in these terms?
whyterabbyt wrote:And where exactly did you ever define the scope of the target for discussion ?
I used to believe it was implicit in my beginning post
; I were talking about harmonics, partials, additive synthesis, with links to ecoustics.com speakers. I was talking about some "levels" of details. Sorry if I'm been superficial, my fault. Later anyway during the conversation I've specify many times the mediums targets (flat, loudspeakers, headphones).
whyterabbyt wrote:Are you claiming that all those devices have the exact same specification?
If not, that doesn't really seem like proof that different specifications matter.
Those devices of course haven't the same specification. I just "notice" that there be some reason of why there are a vast list of all different devices. In the end you use it for playback the sound. If the differences on the same gamma of a set of speakers are meaningless, is really only marketing? Why should you buy a quality speaker instead of another, having similar price? Not for the way they sound? I "ask", not claiming.
Note: I think you all misunderstand the way I use the term "believe". I use it as "I guess, but I'm not sure". How would is the correct term in english?
whyterabbyt wrote:No, this is about your perception, not mine. Its about your implication that it has to matter enough such that we are obligated to satisfy you with a rebuttal.
Why you are so heavy reluctant on reply to this question? You don't want to reply to this easy question. You should know if the perception you have of the same musical element (let say, a kick?) differs between speakers. Why you don't want to reply is really a mystery for me.
whyterabbyt wrote:It is up to you to justify why it might even begin to matter in the first place before anyone needs to bother providing more of a rebuttal than that.
Because it seems I can catch differences, and these differences seems to influence my perception. So I ask you: do you also notice these differences? If nobody would notice them, ok its my problem (I'm biased). If someone notice them (and this has been confirmed), how do you conceive the whole task of making somethings constantly variable?
I'm just repeating myself again
whyterabbyt wrote:Do you understand what Im saying to you?
Not really, but ok, my problem
Nowhk wrote:Not at all. If you can't perceive the differences, of course it doesn't matter.
But you are so out of the equation; we are talking about people that is able to listen music with some deep.
Nowhk wrote:How many times I have to told you "I don't give a fXXk about listeners"?
Which Nowhk is in charge? Can you prove they are all the same person? If they are the same, does it matter?
No its the same, dude! Read well, again, considering the context where some phrase have been written (and stop be obsessed by my "goalpost changing"; you are failing another time). I was talking about "singular" listener that are able to listen to music in deep. Any listener: me, you, OR whyterabbyt. I "don't give a fXXk" if me and you will get the same message, without a comparison between listeners, but taking a singular listener (that is able to listen to music in deep).