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Postby dangayle; Sun Sep 24, 2017 3:36 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

I hope Neutron and Ozone can communicate together, similar to how the individual Neutrons can. Having Neutron on the mix busses or tracks and Ozone on the stereo buss could lead to some cool processing choices.
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Postby EnochLight; Sun Sep 24, 2017 8:15 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Just downloaded the free Imager plugin that they're promoting, and it reminded me of a glaring issue I have with the entire Neutron suite: no re-sizable GUI. :o :dog: Does anyone else use Neutron and have issues with the window being too tiny? I'm on twin 27" monitors that are only 1920 x 1080, so it's not like I'm even trying to squint on a 4K monitor!

I really hope Neutron 2 adds resizable windows. Ugh...
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Postby garryknight; Mon Sep 25, 2017 10:51 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.
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Postby antic604; Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:49 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

dangayle wrote:I hope Neutron and Ozone can communicate together, similar to how the individual Neutrons can. Having Neutron on the mix busses or tracks and Ozone on the stereo buss could lead to some cool processing choices.


Hope they also improve the communication between Neutrons themselves. I mean if one instance can 'talk' to the other and tell it its signal and EQ settings for masking analysis, then why do we need to set up routing to sidechain dynamic EQ? It's not a huge issue with Bitwig (or Logic, based on the video I saw), but it's pain in the ass in Live where you need to create additional bus track.

garryknight wrote:Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.


Weird, because on Surface Pro 4 (under Bitwig at least) it takes 70-80% of the screen, so I wouldn't actually mind it to be somewhat smaller.

@garryknight, which DAW are you using?
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Postby garryknight; Thu Sep 28, 2017 1:54 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Studio One 3.5.2
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Postby EnochLight; Thu Sep 28, 2017 6:16 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

antic604 wrote:
garryknight wrote:Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.


Weird, because on Surface Pro 4 (under Bitwig at least) it takes 70-80% of the screen, so I wouldn't actually mind it to be somewhat smaller.

@garryknight, which DAW are you using?


Yeah, that is weird - since the Surface Pro 4 is 2,736 x 1,824. Taking into consideration that Neutron looks tiny on my 1920 x 1080 27" panels, and garry's 2160 x 1440, I'd certainly like to know how you're getting yours to take up 80% of your screen! Do you have app scaling set to 125% or more??

This is what it looks like on my panel at 100% scaling:

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Maybe I'm just used to Fab FIlter stuff that can be sized full-screen, in all their GUI/UX glory. iZotope's stuff screams for full-screen, or at least to be sized a bit larger.
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Postby garryknight; Fri Sep 29, 2017 11:19 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

I forgot to say that I have Studio One set to the default "Enable High DPI Mode" at 150% scaling, so I can get the maximum screen real estate for the DAW. It would be nice if iZotope could detect this and resize their plugins automatically.
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Postby antic604; Fri Sep 29, 2017 3:22 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Indeed, how big Neutron appears on screen depends on settings and on DAW... :(

On my Surface Pro 4 I use Windows 10 with 200% scaling, so I can use touch without switching to tablet mode.

In Bitwig everything works fine without any required fiddling with options:

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In Ableton, I need to enable legacy support High DPI Win10 scaling for the application so that its GUI is pin sharp, but then plugins are indeed becoming very small:

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When I disable that, the GUI gets blurry but Neutron is properly sized:

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Studio One is similar - with internal scaling the UI is sharp, but plugins are small:

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and disabling the High DPI support solves that at the price of less sharp UI:

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So, to make the story short - unless you're using Bitwig, it's a game of trade-off's and iZotope should do something about it for next version of Neutron (and presumably Ozone, which I don't have)
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Postby garryknight; Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:23 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Something just occurred to me. They keep referring to O8N2. They wouldn't have wrapped all that functionality into one VST, would they? Hmm... Nah, probably not.
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Postby DubLifeSD; Sat Sep 30, 2017 12:26 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Where is Trash 3 ?!?! Waiting patiently...
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Postby dangayle; Sat Sep 30, 2017 3:26 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

garryknight wrote:Something just occurred to me. They keep referring to O8N2. They wouldn't have wrapped all that functionality into one VST, would they? Hmm... Nah, probably not.


Why would they, when they can get you to buy both?
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Postby noiseboyuk; Sat Sep 30, 2017 11:44 pm Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

I assumed it was to be one product with a terrible name, but could be wrong.
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Postby mcbpete; Thu Oct 05, 2017 3:41 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

Have they just silently put this out there without a release fanfare?! I went on their site this morning to see if there was any more teaser information saying what's in each update and BAM it's/they're released: https://www.izotope.com/en/products/bundles/o8n2.html
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Postby SLiC; Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:28 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

mcbpete wrote:Have they just silently put this out there without a release fanfare?! I went on their site this morning to see if there was any more teaser information saying what's in each update and BAM it's/they're released: https://www.izotope.com/en/products/bundles/o8n2.html


Yup- all the upgrade process are also up if you have an account and log in. Standard 7 (or earlier) to 8 upgrade 99 bucks, Advanced 200 bucks. crazy that its the same price to upgrade from 5 (which I would recommend) as it is 7 (I really cant see much difference here)

I own Music Production Bundle 2 so have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron, the cheapest upgrade fro me to get Ozone 8 Advanced, Neutron 2 Advanced is 300 bucks, so I will probably skip this years updates.
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Postby WolfKay; Thu Oct 05, 2017 4:44 am Re: Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017

SLiC wrote:
mcbpete wrote:I own Music Production Bundle 2 so have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron, the cheapest upgrade fro me to get Ozone 8 Advanced, Neutron 2 Advanced is 300 bucks, so I will probably skip this years updates.

I'll pass as well.
Sorry, but a 300 bucks update is way too high for those who already have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron Advanced.
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