Ozone 8 & Neutron 2 announced for October 2017
- KVRian
- 1403 posts since 30 Mar, 2014
I hope Neutron and Ozone can communicate together, similar to how the individual Neutrons can. Having Neutron on the mix busses or tracks and Ozone on the stereo buss could lead to some cool processing choices.
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Just downloaded the free Imager plugin that they're promoting, and it reminded me of a glaring issue I have with the entire Neutron suite: no re-sizable GUI. Does anyone else use Neutron and have issues with the window being too tiny? I'm on twin 27" monitors that are only 1920 x 1080, so it's not like I'm even trying to squint on a 4K monitor!
I really hope Neutron 2 adds resizable windows. Ugh...
I really hope Neutron 2 adds resizable windows. Ugh...
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.
- Banned
- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Hope they also improve the communication between Neutrons themselves. I mean if one instance can 'talk' to the other and tell it its signal and EQ settings for masking analysis, then why do we need to set up routing to sidechain dynamic EQ? It's not a huge issue with Bitwig (or Logic, based on the video I saw), but it's pain in the ass in Live where you need to create additional bus track.dangayle wrote:I hope Neutron and Ozone can communicate together, similar to how the individual Neutrons can. Having Neutron on the mix busses or tracks and Ozone on the stereo buss could lead to some cool processing choices.
Weird, because on Surface Pro 4 (under Bitwig at least) it takes 70-80% of the screen, so I wouldn't actually mind it to be somewhat smaller.garryknight wrote:Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.
@garryknight, which DAW are you using?
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
Studio One 3.5.2
- KVRAF
- 2288 posts since 21 Mar, 2012 from Nom..nom.. YOUR MOM
Yeah, that is weird - since the Surface Pro 4 is 2,736 x 1,824. Taking into consideration that Neutron looks tiny on my 1920 x 1080 27" panels, and garry's 2160 x 1440, I'd certainly like to know how you're getting yours to take up 80% of your screen! Do you have app scaling set to 125% or more??antic604 wrote:Weird, because on Surface Pro 4 (under Bitwig at least) it takes 70-80% of the screen, so I wouldn't actually mind it to be somewhat smaller.garryknight wrote:Yes, I get this problem on my 2160x1440 Surface Pro 3. I solve it by squinting at the screen and cursing a lot.
@garryknight, which DAW are you using?
This is what it looks like on my panel at 100% scaling:
Maybe I'm just used to Fab FIlter stuff that can be sized full-screen, in all their GUI/UX glory. iZotope's stuff screams for full-screen, or at least to be sized a bit larger.
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
I forgot to say that I have Studio One set to the default "Enable High DPI Mode" at 150% scaling, so I can get the maximum screen real estate for the DAW. It would be nice if iZotope could detect this and resize their plugins automatically.
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- 11467 posts since 4 Jan, 2017 from Warsaw, Poland
Indeed, how big Neutron appears on screen depends on settings and on DAW...
On my Surface Pro 4 I use Windows 10 with 200% scaling, so I can use touch without switching to tablet mode.
In Bitwig everything works fine without any required fiddling with options:
In Ableton, I need to enable legacy support High DPI Win10 scaling for the application so that its GUI is pin sharp, but then plugins are indeed becoming very small:
When I disable that, the GUI gets blurry but Neutron is properly sized:
Studio One is similar - with internal scaling the UI is sharp, but plugins are small:
and disabling the High DPI support solves that at the price of less sharp UI:
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So, to make the story short - unless you're using Bitwig, it's a game of trade-off's and iZotope should do something about it for next version of Neutron (and presumably Ozone, which I don't have)
On my Surface Pro 4 I use Windows 10 with 200% scaling, so I can use touch without switching to tablet mode.
In Bitwig everything works fine without any required fiddling with options:
In Ableton, I need to enable legacy support High DPI Win10 scaling for the application so that its GUI is pin sharp, but then plugins are indeed becoming very small:
When I disable that, the GUI gets blurry but Neutron is properly sized:
Studio One is similar - with internal scaling the UI is sharp, but plugins are small:
and disabling the High DPI support solves that at the price of less sharp UI:
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So, to make the story short - unless you're using Bitwig, it's a game of trade-off's and iZotope should do something about it for next version of Neutron (and presumably Ozone, which I don't have)
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- KVRian
- 1158 posts since 6 Jan, 2015 from London, England
Something just occurred to me. They keep referring to O8N2. They wouldn't have wrapped all that functionality into one VST, would they? Hmm... Nah, probably not.
- KVRian
- 1403 posts since 30 Mar, 2014
Why would they, when they can get you to buy both?garryknight wrote:Something just occurred to me. They keep referring to O8N2. They wouldn't have wrapped all that functionality into one VST, would they? Hmm... Nah, probably not.
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- KVRAF
- 5451 posts since 25 Jan, 2007
I assumed it was to be one product with a terrible name, but could be wrong.
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- KVRAF
- 2086 posts since 24 Jun, 2006 from London, England
Have they just silently put this out there without a release fanfare?! I went on their site this morning to see if there was any more teaser information saying what's in each update and BAM it's/they're released: https://www.izotope.com/en/products/bundles/o8n2.html
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- KVRAF
- 11175 posts since 2 Dec, 2004 from North Wales
Yup- all the upgrade process are also up if you have an account and log in. Standard 7 (or earlier) to 8 upgrade 99 bucks, Advanced 200 bucks. crazy that its the same price to upgrade from 5 (which I would recommend) as it is 7 (I really cant see much difference here)mcbpete wrote:Have they just silently put this out there without a release fanfare?! I went on their site this morning to see if there was any more teaser information saying what's in each update and BAM it's/they're released: https://www.izotope.com/en/products/bundles/o8n2.html
I own Music Production Bundle 2 so have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron, the cheapest upgrade fro me to get Ozone 8 Advanced, Neutron 2 Advanced is 300 bucks, so I will probably skip this years updates.
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- KVRist
- 223 posts since 18 Dec, 2005
I'll pass as well.SLiC wrote:mcbpete wrote:I own Music Production Bundle 2 so have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron, the cheapest upgrade fro me to get Ozone 8 Advanced, Neutron 2 Advanced is 300 bucks, so I will probably skip this years updates.
Sorry, but a 300 bucks update is way too high for those who already have Ozone 7 Advanced and Neutron Advanced.