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Loom II has landed!

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wagtunes
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:08 am Re: Loom II has landed!

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Teksonik wrote:no need to support ancient technologies like 17" monitors..... :lol:


Actually, these gui issues are much more pertinent to current technologies. With higher resolutions finding their way onto computer screens, used in situations where it is impossible to use the necessary, commensurate screen-size increase, gui scaling is a huge issue.


Please stop talking sense. This is unacceptable at KVR.
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el-bo (formerly ebow)
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:10 am Re: Loom II has landed!

fluffy_little_something wrote:From what I have observed over the years, the same user interfaces unfortunately get harder to read, the bigger the monitors get.


Actually, bigger monitors result in things being easier to read. It is the resolution increases that cause the issues.
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:14 am Re: Loom II has landed!

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:From what I have observed over the years, the same user interfaces unfortunately get harder to read, the bigger the monitors get.


Actually, bigger monitors result in things being easier to read. It is the resolution increases that cause the issues.


Well, monitors get bigger because their resolution increases. Of course old user interfaces would become bigger if 24" monitors still used 1024x768 pixels :hihi: But that's not the case.
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:18 am Re: Loom II has landed!

And just to prove how stupid this whole "Get a bigger monitor and your problems with resolution will go away is" let's really take an in depth look at it.

Let's take the Korg Wavestation or the M1, which are total jokes as far as size go.

I'm currently on a 17 inch monitor, which is perfectly capable of reading 99% of the VSTi that I own running at a resolution of 1280x1024 at medium size.

If I get a 27 inch monitor, I'm not going to run a resolution of 1280x1024. Hell, I don't even know if a monitor that big would support a resolution that small.

Standard resolution on a 27 inch is about 2560x1440. Now if I ran that on my current screen, it would effectively cut the size of my VSTi in half. Running it on a 27 inch, all it does is bring it back to the size it is now.

It wouldn't be any easier to read UNLESS I decreased the resolution on my new monitor to something like 1920x1024, which kind of defeats the purpose of getting a new monitor. And even if I did that, how much larger would my Korg Wavestation actually be? It sure as hell wouldn't be the size of an Avenger.

There is NO reason not to have a resizeable GUI in this day and age. NONE.

So you can all go blame it on my f**king monitor but it's all just bull shit and you know it.
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:21 am Re: Loom II has landed!

Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display:

4:3 aspect ratio resolutions: 640×480, 800×600, 960×720, 1024×768, 1280×960, 1400×1050, 1440×1080, 1600×1200, 1856×1392, 1920×1440, and 2048×1536.

16:10 aspect ratio resolutions: 1280×800, 1440×900, 1680×1050, 1920×1200, and 2560×1600.

16:9 aspect ratio resolutions: 1024×576, 1152×648, 1280×720, 1366×768, 1600×900, 1920×1080, 2560×1440, and 3840×2160.
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Postby Teksonik; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:23 am Re: Loom II has landed!

el-bo (formerly ebow) wrote:
Teksonik wrote:no need to support ancient technologies like 17" monitors..... :lol:


Actually, these gui issues are much more pertinent to current technologies. With higher resolutions finding their way onto computer screens, used in situations where it is impossible to use the necessary, commensurate screen-size increase, gui scaling is a huge issue.



Loom's GUI is perfectly useful here....on a properly spec'd display. :wink:

wagtunes wrote:That's something Teksonik doesn't seem to want to understand or even acknowledge is a problem. And his hypocrisy shows with his own comment of how a resizable GUI would be nice.


Oh I understand the problem perfectly....you are using an old tiny monitor and bitching about the GUI's of countless plugins.

wagtunes wrote:And his hypocrisy shows with his own comment of how a resizable GUI would be nice.


Don't confuse "nice" with "necessary". I like big GUI's too and use them all the time when offered but they are nice not necessary due to the aforementioned properly spec'd display. :wink:

Anyway keep complaining about GUI's being too small and I'll keep pointing out how unnecessary your situation is.....Like I said the problem does not exist here so a solution is possible....and that my friend is noit b*llshit...... :shrug:
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:24 am Re: Loom II has landed!

fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display.


But why would I want to run 1280x1024 on a 27 inch monitor just to be able to see a handful of plugins?

And then what happens to the other plugins that now become obnoxiously large?
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:27 am Re: Loom II has landed!

wagtunes wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display.


But why would I want to run 1280x1024 on a 27 inch monitor just to be able to see a handful of plugins?

And then what happens to the other plugins that now become obnoxiously large?


Well, you would have to find a compromise that makes your smallest and biggest GUI's usable, even if neither are ideal.
If you really like and need a plugin that has a small interface, you will have to make sacrifices :hihi:
But yeah, the Korg M1 sucks, I sold it because of the GUI, it was a PITA to use.
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Postby Teksonik; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:31 am Re: Loom II has landed!

wagtunes wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display.


But why would I want to run 1280x1024 on a 27 inch monitor just to be able to see a handful of plugins?

And then what happens to the other plugins that now become obnoxiously large?


I have no idea why you are so confused by monitors, it's not that hard. I'm running a 27" IPS Monitor at 1920x1080 and everything functions perfectly here and my eyes are shyte. Hence you don't see me complaining about GUIs but I agree a fully resizable GUI is nice.

Back on topic, a fully resizable GUI would not have been enough to convince me to upgrade.
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:31 am Re: Loom II has landed!

fluffy_little_something wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display.


But why would I want to run 1280x1024 on a 27 inch monitor just to be able to see a handful of plugins?

And then what happens to the other plugins that now become obnoxiously large?


Well, you would have to find a compromise that makes your smallest and biggest GUI's usable, even if neither are ideal.
If you really like and need a plugin that has a small interface, you will have to make sacrifices :hihi:
But yeah, the Korg M1 sucks, I sold it because of the GUI, it was a PITA to use.


And I've chosen my sacrifice. I'm not buying plugins that are too small. Developers can come into the 21st century or not get my business.
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:32 am Re: Loom II has landed!

Teksonik wrote:
wagtunes wrote:
fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display.


But why would I want to run 1280x1024 on a 27 inch monitor just to be able to see a handful of plugins?

And then what happens to the other plugins that now become obnoxiously large?


I have no idea why you are so confused by monitors, it's not that hard. I'm running a 27" IPS Monitor at 1920x1080 and everything functions perfectly here and my eyes are shyte. Hence you don't see me complaining about GUIs but I agree a fully resizable GUI is nice.

Back on topic, a fully resizable GUI would not have been enough to convince me to upgrade.


And the Korg M1 has suddenly become this big huge thing that's a joy to work with. Yeah, right.
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Postby wagtunes; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:36 am Re: Loom II has landed!

And I'm still waiting for the dev to explain why the GUI wasn't brought up to modern day standards.
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:37 am Re: Loom II has landed!

Because they are using notebooks :hihi:
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Postby el-bo (formerly ebow); Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:40 am Re: Loom II has landed!

fluffy_little_something wrote:Your monitor can display a wide spectrum of resolutions, your graphics card is what determines the resolution displayed. Just make sure, the smaller resolution you select has exactly the same aspect ratio as the recommended maximum resolution of your display:

4:3 aspect ratio resolutions: 640×480, 800×600, 960×720, 1024×768, 1280×960, 1400×1050, 1440×1080, 1600×1200, 1856×1392, 1920×1440, and 2048×1536.

16:10 aspect ratio resolutions: 1280×800, 1440×900, 1680×1050, 1920×1200, and 2560×1600.

16:9 aspect ratio resolutions: 1024×576, 1152×648, 1280×720, 1366×768, 1600×900, 1920×1080, 2560×1440, and 3840×2160.


Running screens outside of native resolution can be done, but it does not provide the best results. It is acceptable for certain tasks. I run my HD screen in 2560 x 1600 when mixing, to allow many more channels on screen, but the image is too blurry for tasks like editing where the resulting blur causes issues.
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Postby krabbencutter; Thu Oct 12, 2017 7:44 am Re: Loom II has landed!

Topic, anyone? :help:
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