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Postby nIGhT-SoN; Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:18 am Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Fall Creators update has just been released yesterday. Today I've decided to install it and so far so good, no problems even with my old E-MU 0404 USB.

What's new/changed:

"Turn Live Tile on/off"-option now has an icon
Start now uses the new scroll bar style introduced in the Creators Update
All items that do not have a submenu in the app context menus now have icons
Start no longer uses its own blur, but instead uses acrylic
The bottom of the start frame will no longer glitch when resizing vertically
Instead of snapping into size, the start frame now resizes immediately when resizing horizontally
The start menu can now be resized diagonally
The transition between the start menu and start screen is now smoother
"Update and shutdown" has been removed due to not working properly
When pressing a tile, the context menu will now appear prior to lifting your finger again

Cortana + search

Cortana can now be set to open with cards visible instead of the home screen
Cortana can now be kept from showing your content from the cloud in search results
Web results can now be displayed within Cortana instead of opening the browser
You can now lock, sign-out, shutdown and turn off your PC with voice commands

Taskbar + Action center

The power-fly-out now shows a slider to change the power mode
You can now pin people to the taskbar on the right side in the MyPeople bar
You can now access communication-apps on a per-person base from the MyPeople bar
MyPeople now shows you the emojis send by your pinned contacts
Like apps, people can now have a notification badge
Files can be dragged on pinned people to share them through mail
The Share-dialog now has people integrated into it
Android users with Cortana now get incoming call notifications
The Action center no longer uses its own blur, but instead uses acrylic
App titles are now centered in the Action center
Individual notifications now appear as cards
When the MyPeople flyout is open, you can now drop files on pinned contacts in the overflow area to share it
The context menu when clicking an available Wi-Fi network in the Networks flyout has been expanded with Connect, Disconnect, View Properties and Forget Network
The Action center now uses the XAML scrollbar
The sound flyout now allows you to enable Spatial sound directly
The overflow area in the People flyout has now text to make it clear that people listed there are pinned
Right-clicking the taskbar will now show an option to enable or disable MyPeople
Right-clicking "Open Network and Sharing Center" now opens "Network & Internet Settings"
Notification buttons now span the full width instead of being aligned to the right
The first notification in an app group is now expanded by default
The X to "dismiss" a notification has been changed to an arrow
Toast notifications can now be dismissed by middle-clicking

User Interface

The Bluetooth icon now has a lighter color
UIs that use ListView and other XAML collection controls will now use Reveal by default
The Win32 MessageBox is now natively per-monitor DPI aware
Instead of "Welcome", "Signing in" and "Signing out", the lock screen will now show "Just a moment"

File Explorer

The Share-icon in the ribbon has been updated to match its MDL2-counterpart
Windows will now detect relevant media folders and ask you to use them after a storage scan
Files can now be shared from the context menu
"Share with" has been renamed "Give access to" in the context menu
A new list of allocation unit sizes has been added when formatting a drive with NTFS
Right-clicking a photo will now show an "Edit with Photos" option

Microsoft Edge
Edge 41

PDF reader now supports forms, saving those forms and printing them
Annotations are now supported on PDFs
The Table of Contents is now available for PDFs
PDFs can now be viewed with 2 pages side-by-side
PDFs can now be rotated
You can now set PDFs to fit the width of the window
You can now set the cover page as a separate page when viewing PDFs with 2 pages side-by-side
You can now enable "Continuous scrolling" for PDFs
A new Application Guard window can now be opened if the feature is enabled
Websites can now be pinned to the taskbar
Edge now supports a full screen mode by pressing F11 or opening the ellipses menu
You can now highlight, underline and add comments in EPUB books
PDFs now support more highlight colors and Ask Cortana
Edge's splash screen is now grey to transition more smoothly into Start
Edge can now be closed even if a JavaScript dialog is showing
Edge's address bar is no longer embedded in the New Tabs page
Edge's address bar will now stay white and will have a border when the focus isn't set to it
An option has been added when right clicking a tab to add it to favorites
Tabs will now animate more smoothly when opened or closed
The default Hub icon is now replaced with a star icon with stripes
Improved session restore behavior for multi-window sessions
A new option "Show sites I frequently visit in Top Sites" has been added to settings
Tab close buttons will now be available even when JavaScript dialogs are open
Tabs that are not active will now show a slightly transparent icon
Closing the browser and other browser features will now be available even when JavaScript dialogs are open
Cookies and Settings can now be migrated from Chrome
You can now Copy or Ask Cortana with selected text in an EPUB file
EPUB notes can now contain ink
Notes in EPUB files can now be shown when hovering over these notes
Books, reading progress, bookmarks and notes are now synced between devices
Saving a favorite will now allow you to select a location from a directory tree instead of a regular dropdown
The URL of favorites can now be edited
IT admins can now configure favorites via group policy and mobile device management
Edge now uses shadows as part of preparations for its Fluent redesign
Edge can now read aloud an webpage and PDF with word and line highlighting
The Share UI will now follow the Edge theme instead of the system theme, it will also appear below the share button instead of in the middle of the screen
Favorites are now animated when created
Edges processes now have a clearer name
Edge now uses acrylic material in the tab bar and other controls
Text will no longer shift when focus is given to the address bar due to "http://" appearing
F3 and Shift + F3 will now allow you to go to the next and previous result when using Find on Page
Editable fields in PDFs now have a color

F12 Tools

In DOM Explorer, merged the Layout tab into the Computed tab
Added Ctrl-Shift-I as a supported shortcut to launch the developer tools
Inspect event listeners for ancestor elements
Group by Event or Element to see a list of events or list of elements, with the most specific element events first
Styles tab will now display @keyframes for related animations (read-only currently),
Styles tab will now show the @supports statement being met for the given CSS
Styles tab will now show css from an @media in its own section
Added custom input filter and improved overall filtering experience
The command line input is now in-line with the logs view. By pressing- Shift + Enter, developers can now move to multi-line mode and submit- their command with Enter.
Optimized logging experience: Duplicate logs are now stacked, sources are now right-aligned, added background colors, added custom CSS styling of logs, content is now wrapped to fit nicely within the console viewport
Added support for the Console.table API to visualize data in a tabular layout
The Console now leverages features and characteristics of Monaco editor that powers VS Code. This provides syntax colorization and a faster, richer IntelliSense experience in command line input.

EdgeHTML 16

Support for summary and details
Support for advanced Event Listeners (“once” and “passive”)
Support for CSS object-fit/object-position
Support for CSS position: sticky
ES2017 Shared Memory and Atomics are now on by default (previously behind - WebDriver now supports launching Microsoft Edge in InPrivate mode with capability “InPrivate”: true
Added support for CSS Grid Layout
Added support for High Resolution Time Level 3 (need to confirm with PPR)
Unprefixed CSS Grid is now enabled by default
Edge will no longer rescale websites in portrait mode with a narrow viewport


"Enable unprefixed CSS Grid Layout support" has been added
"Enable experimental inline layout support" has been added
"Enable TSF3 implementation" has been added
"Enable WinRT Clipboard APIs" has been added
"Force setTimeout and setInterval to 30 seconds on background tabs instead of 1 second" has been added
"Force setTimeout and setInterval to 1 second periods when the page is loading" has been added
"Enable Screen Capture" has been added
"Enable Fetch JavaScript API" has been added
"Enable script downloads over Fetch" has been added
"Allow independent rendering of HTML5 Canvas elements" has been added
"Enable new InsertParagraph command" has been added
"Cache Service Workers storage" has been removed

Internet Explorer

VBScript is now disabled for Internet Explorer by default
Tabs will now be shown on their own bar by default
The search box is now enabled by default


Turning the night light schedule off in now turns of night light immediately
Notification settings will now load faster
About has been redesigned to show your device's health status
About no longer shows your organization name
The manufacturer and the manufacturers website of the device has been added to About
Windows can now clean up downloads that haven't been changed in 30 days
The Note quick action has been removed
Night light now transitions quicker when rebooting or manually enabled if required
"Display" will now show information on a connected HDR screen under "HDR and advanced color settings"
Storage Sense now allows you to delete the previous Windows version
Storage Sense has a new design
"Remote desktop" has been added
You can now require computers to connect with Network Level Authentication for Remote Desktop
A second "Get tips, tricks and suggestions as you use Windows" has been added to Notifications & Actions
About no longer contains links to device encryption settings


A new option has been added to explicitly enable finger inking
Devices can now be turned off when the screen is off to save battery under USB


Phone has been added as a new category under Settings
Windows can now be linked with your Android phone or iPhone

Network & Internet

You can now search and sort your known networks
You can now require Windows to show a notification banner when an action is needed when connecting to a hotspot
The "Make this PC discoverable" option has been replaced with a radio button
Windows can now be required to show a notification banner when an action is required before connecting to an open hotspot


There is no longer a preview in the Start settings
You can now manage the People bar in Taskbar settings
Settings to enable Shoulder tabs and its sounds have been added
Themes no longer support Screen Savers
Spotlight will now reset after 7 days in case it gets stuck on one image


You can now set the default app for each file format
Uninstalling an app will now show a progress bar
Microsoft Edge is now listed as an app and can be reset
"Video Playback" has been added as a new page
You can now let Windows automatically process video to enhance it
Windows can now be set to stream video in HDR
Windows now allows you to play video at a lower resolution
When on battery, you can now lower the resolution, disable HDR and/or disable all other enhancements


Support for adding other AAD work/school users
Improved facial recognition and Windows Hello will now show new toasts to learn to recognize your face when issues with logging in happen
"Use my sign-in info to automatically finish setting up my device after an update or restart" has been moved to Sign-in options


Broadcasting using game-only audio is now a setting under "Broadcasting"
"Audio settings" has been renamed Game DVR in the Game bar
Game DVR-settings have been moved to the Game DVR-page in Game bar
Xbox Networking has been added as a new page, showing you details about your network
Game Mode is now enabled by default for some games
"TruePlay" has been added

Ease of Access

You can now choose a language for output when braille is installed
You can now choose a table type when braille is installed
You can now change the magnification level of Magnifier from Settings
You can now set the zoom level increments for Magnifier
You can now change the mode Magnifier is used in
Magnifier can now be set to follow the Narrator cursor
Magnifier settings now shows a list of all shortcuts available to manage Magnifier
Ctrl + Win + N now opens the Narrator Settings
"High Contrast Settings" has been renamed "Color and High Contrast"
Magnifier can now be set to use bitmap smoothing
You can now set a color filter
Eye control beta has been added as a new accessibility option


Cortana/Search has been added as a new category to the Settings app
An option has been added to allow Cortana access to the Camera roll for reminders


App-requested downloads has been added as a new page

Update & security

The category has been renamed from "Update & security" to "Update & Security"
A failed update will now show a plain text string that can be selected
"Update history" has been renamed "View installed update history"
The Windows Insider Program-icon has been replaced with Ninjacat
When an update is available, you will now get a notification instead of a modal
Windows Update now provides a link to show you what's new in the latest feature update
Option to search for the location where you last interacted with your pen under "Find My Device"
Windows Update will now list group policies that have been applied
Each individual update now has its own progress and status
Links to update settings have been reorganized
An option has been added to allow Windows to download updates over a metered connection
Delivery Optimization now contains options to limit the upload and download bandwidth
Activity monitor now shows you statistics on downloads and uploads of updates for the current month
After installing an upgrade, Windows will now automatically prepare your account when allowed even if you reboot or shutdown from another place besides Windows Update
"Device Encryption" has been added as a new page

Mixed Reality

Mixed Reality now supports Motion Controllers over USB
Improved connection reliability


The sidebar now shows tips and videos


The Game Bar now has an option to enable Game Mode for a specific game
Game Bar now allows you to make screenshots of games running in HDR
Screenshots of games running in HDR are now tone mapped to SDR and saved in PNG
Bitrate changes during a game broadcast to Mixer are now smoother
You can now specify the language you speak in a Mixer broadcast
Game Mode will now provide better performance on some popular configurations like 6 and 8 core CPU machines


Windows will now throttle programs if they aren't being used
Upgrading will no longer reset the Rotation lock-setting
Each UWP app now has its own Runtime Broker
Windows Subsystem for Linux no longer requires Developer Mode
Hyper-V can now show your physical machine's battery level
Registry Editor is now per-monitor DPI aware
SMB1 is now disabled by default and SMB2.02+ can now be used
Windows will now adjust Win32 apps DPI when changed without logging out


Pressing Caps Lock + E + E will now launch Feedback Hub when using Narrator
Narrator now has Scan Mode on by default
The popup dialog when launching Narrator for the first time to enable Scan Mode has been removed
Narrator now tells you which key you have pressed and the Narrator command that is associated with it
Caps + R will now read from where you are through the app
Caps + Home can now be pressed to jump to the beginning of an app
Caps + End can now be pressed to jump to the end of an app
Caps + W will now read both controls and text in the window
Braille now supports different translations, choose a blinking cursor representation and the duration of the "flash messages"
Braille input can now be used for app shortcuts and modifier keys
The magnifier UI has been updated with a new modern look
Narrator can now automatically describe images without alternative text
Narrator Scan Mode is now on by default in Edge
Windows now supports eye control
The Eye Control launchpad is now shown when Eye Control is enabled

Language and input

Revamped XAML-based handwriting panel
When writing text in the handwriting panel, the panel will now convert your writings to text and shift it to the left
Text in the handwriting panel can now be selected to edit it
Converted text can now be overwritten to correct it
Ink gestures have been added to make corrections to text in the handwriting panel
The handwriting panel now has buttons for emojis and symbols
The handwriting panel now appears on the place that you're writing on
Handwriting recognition has been improved for English
Handwriting now shows an "English mode"-button
Pressing Win + . or Win + ; will now show the emoji panel in English (United States)
Revamped on screen keyboard
Improves text predictions can now suggest full messages and emojis in English (United States)
The emoji-panel in the keyboard now allows for smooth scrolling instead of a page-based system
A new one-handed touch keyboard has been added
The split keyboard layout has been removed
The one-handed touch keyboard now supports shape writing
The keyboard settings menu has been moved to the top left
The keyboard now supports dictation in English (United States)
UD Digital Kyokasho-tai has been added as a new font family in Japan
Japanese Input Method Editor predictive candidates are now more context aware
The predictive candidate window is now supported in search boxes for the Japanese IME
The Bopomofo IME now remembers your previous picks for suggestions
Bopomofo IME will now remember your settings preferences
Pressing the shift key can now enable the Bopomofo IME when disabled
The Emoji Panel now contains a search feature
The Emoji Panel can now be shown in dark mode
Shape writing is now available for 29 additional languages
Text prediction has been added for multiple languages
Simplified Chinese, Traditional Chinese, Japanese and Korean are now supported on the new touch keyboard
A one-handed curve-flick keyboard has been added for Japanese
You can now move the keyboard with the upper border instead of just the move icon, which has been removed
A clipboard icon will now appear on the keyboard when text can be pasted
The shift key can now be used to cycle between capitalization states
The keyboard settings flyout has been redesigned
The emoji section of the keyboard now scrolls horizontal
The one-handed keyboard now has more padding in the emoji view
A language key is now available for the one-handed keyboard
Typing an emoji will no longer close the keyboard
The wide keyboard is now slightly bigger
The back of a pen can now be used to erase handwritten words
Segoe UI is now used as the font of processed handwritten text
The English mode button in the Chinese handwriting panel has been updated
Japanese IME will now provide better predictive input
Japanese IME now has spelling corrections for English words
Japanese IME now can start a search from the predictive candidate window
The touch keyboard will now animate when launched or dismissed
The Japanese onehanded touch keyboard now uses the Yu-gothic UI font
Improved performance of the touch keyboard after tapping the touch keyboard button in the taskbar
Updates the design of the Japanese curve-flick touch keyboard to show numbers and English letters in a smaller font

Mixed Reality Portal

Teleportation can now be done with only the left joystick
Improved speech interaction
Improves the reliability for headsets
The Mixed Reality Portal icon has been updated
The teleportation experience has been updated to be more intuitive and direct
The environment can now load without a black screen during startup
When required, Mixed Reality Portal now informs users that a USB 3 headset is required
Improved support for ASMedia and other 3rd party USB controllers
4K 360 video streaming now works better


Files on demand now available(known as placeholders in Windows 8)

Windows Defender Security Center

"Exploit mitigations" has been added under App & browser control
Disabled drivers no longer set off a flag
Screen brightness on 100% while charging no longer sets off a flag
Programs can now be set to block loading images with a low-integrity mark
Programs can now be set to block exported function that are being resolved by malicious code
Images can now be forced to randomize
Windows Defender can now track folders with "Controlled folder access" and monitor blacklisted apps
The app icon is no longer plated in the taskbar

Other additions

Windows COM ports can now be accessed from the Windows Subsystem for Linux
Holding the power button for 7 seconds will now trigger a bugcheck on devices that don't use legacy ACPI power buttons
Hyper-V will now make automatic checkpoints so you can always revert
The policy to disable the lock screen is now available for Windows 10 Pro
UWPs will now show up individually in the Volume Mixer when they play sound
The Share UI now shows an option to copy a link if sharing a link
Selection controls are now shown when selecting text, objects or ink with pen
Pen selection can now be done with the barrel button
When services like OneDrive try to download an online file for offline use in an application, it will trigger a notifications where you can allow this
A pen can now be used to scroll in all apps
The Task Manager now has a new GPU performance page
Processes on the Processes-page in Task Manager are now grouped together
The Processes-page in Task Manager now shows a "GPU Engine" column
You can now convert Hyper-V machines to "vmcz"-files to share them
Virtual machine gallery has been added under Quick create in Hyper-V
Passwords can now be reset from the lockscreen
Pens can now select and drag objects when the barrel button is used in UWP apps
Improved performance for WDAG containers
The "Background Moderated" column in Task Manager has been renamed "Power Throttling"
The Recovery Drive tool is now available under the Windows Administrative Tools folder
The "Trust this PC?"-notification has been replaced with "You got a message on your phone. Want to see phone messages on this PC too?"
WinHelp has been removed
Support for Emoji 5.0 has been added
A number of emojis have been redesigned
The SMB1 server component is no longer included by default on Home or Pro
SMB1 is no longer installed by default on Enterprise and Education
Computer Browser service has been removed
Snipping tool is now natively per-monitor DPI-aware
All image resources in Windows have been cleaned up to no longer include XMP metadata
The Game Mode icon in the Game bar has been updated
Improved performance for two-finger precision touchpad scrolling
The Windows Console has a new default color scheme
The Computer\HKLM\Software\Microsoft\HVSI\SuspendOnContainerClose-key has been added to allow users to optimize WDAG launch times during active browser by not suspending the WDAG container when the window is closed
Bahnschrift has been added as a new font, marking the first OpenType Variable Font in Windows
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Postby mcbpete; Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:44 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Waiting for it to drop on my machine rather than force the download. Sounds good though !
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Postby SLiC; Wed Oct 18, 2017 12:46 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

That is one hell of an update, good to hear you had no problems, I will install tonight.
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Postby nIGhT-SoN; Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:32 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

mcbpete wrote:Waiting for it to drop on my machine rather than force the download. Sounds good though !

The thing is if you manually update, you can rollback, although I don't know how reliable would rolling back be.
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Postby andrew71; Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:47 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Yes! I've been campaigning for a lighter-coloured bluetooth icon for ages. Finally it's happening. I can't wait!

Seriously, I held back on the Creator's update for a long time. I simply can't stand having to jump through hoops reauthorising plugins that think I've installed a new operating system.
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Postby mcbpete; Wed Oct 18, 2017 1:55 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Yeah I've heard that before, Intrigued to know which plugins do that - I've a lot of 'high profile' company plugins on my machine (Fabfilter, Native Instruments, Plugin Alliance, iZotope, Arturia, Waves, Eventide) but absolutely none of them moaned with the creators update and needed authorising. In fact I don't think they moaned when I moved from Win8.1 -> 10 (edit: actually I had to reauthorize Korg Legacy Collection, but that unauthorizes itself if it's just a particularly windy day)
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Postby Googly Smythe; Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:06 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Admittedly, my eyes were going cross-eyed by the end of that list, but it all just looks like sprinkles. :shrug:
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Postby BojanKerkez; Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:30 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Last night I manually started this update from this MS page and haven't noticed any issues so far.
Some fellow users of my audio interface (POD Studio UX2) on the official Line6 forum are reporting having no sound or just noise coming out, but I haven't had any problems.
I didn't have to re-register any software and the CPU load in Studio One (3.5.2) seems somewhat lower and more even than it used to be prior to this update.
This update, like all system updates on Win10 (which is the reason why I have them disabled), rewrote my registry tweaks that remove the folder and drive clutter from File Explorer and again made me have to re-associate some file extensions to the programs I actually want to use, as opposed to MS ones.
I installed it on a 5 and half year old i5 2500k system with a Z77 board.
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:44 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

I can't even get 1703 to download and install, it always aborts at 5% or so, has been going on for a week or so :?

Postby chk071; Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:47 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Works fine here. I have a small issue with the user login on another laptop though, it always prompts two times for the user's password... don't ask. :P
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Postby nIGhT-SoN; Wed Oct 18, 2017 11:59 pm Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

@chk071, I think I've heard of this. It has something to do with the new login system. You could change it to be a local account, that's what I did. In Settings -> Accounts -> Sign in with a local account instead. Don't worry it will use the same user files, the change will be just with the login.
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Postby pekbro; Thu Oct 19, 2017 12:29 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

I updated my laptop without any hitches, I didn't really notice any difference.
First thing I did was fire up the browser and search for Ubuntu.
Just because you know they're tracking that somewhere... :lol:
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:55 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

Did the update manually today, worked :) No longer stuck. In fact, I skipped the problematic intermediate update..

While doing some research, I also discovered this useful tool, which allows me to hide wrong or problematic updates from the Windows Update list:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... g-in-windo

Postby chk071; Thu Oct 19, 2017 9:57 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

fluffy_little_something wrote:Did the update manually today, worked :) No longer stuck. In fact, I skipped the problematic intermediate update..

While doing some research, I also discovered this useful tool, which allows me to hide wrong or problematic updates from the Windows Update list:
https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/hel ... g-in-windo

Note though that you NEED the updates to be able to install the big, half-yearly updates... you need a fully updated system for those, otherwise it will rather CAUSE problems, then solve those.

Postby chk071; Thu Oct 19, 2017 10:00 am Re: Windows 10 - Fall Creators update (1709) - experiences

nIGhT-SoN wrote:@chk071, I think I've heard of this. It has something to do with the new login system. You could change it to be a local account, that's what I did. In Settings -> Accounts -> Sign in with a local account instead. Don't worry it will use the same user files, the change will be just with the login.

Thanks for the tip. There's another thing which fixes the issue, and that's deactivating the option to use the login details, to log the user in after restarts for updates. I think we'll sit this out though, it's a known issue, and surely fixed soon. For now, the solution is to use standby, so, there's no need to fill in the password 2 times every time the laptop is started.

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