They've rolled their own, online and offline catered for, a simple license key is all you need. Very easy and unobtrusive.nicksohn wrote:copy protection?
Black Rooster Audio releases the VPRE-73
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- KVRian
- 1052 posts since 17 Nov, 2010 from UK
A bit fried in the higher freqs
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- KVRian
- 1099 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
only to Kush, since all IK plugins I have used got anti-alias filtering only as option and I still think that it SHOULD be done exactly this way - because its the USER who should decide if some filtering is benefical or not for given audio source - but YMMV...SeeingInMidi wrote: You should also complain to Kush and IK and many other companies that use a steep high cut due to anti-aliasing
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- Banned
- 453 posts since 30 Mar, 2016
Slate FG-73 doesn't have a high frequency roll off - so it's either aliasing badly, or they just know how to do this correctly. Of course it doesn't cost 20 bucks either.
- KVRAF
- 4433 posts since 15 Nov, 2006 from Hell
i would go for the third option - it actually does have a HF roll off...sfxsound3 wrote:Slate FG-73 doesn't have a high frequency roll off - so it's either aliasing badly, or they just know how to do this correctly. Of course it doesn't cost 20 bucks either.
I don't know what to write here that won't be censored, as I can only speak in profanity.
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- Banned
- 453 posts since 30 Mar, 2016
It must be invisible then, because VST Plugin Analyzer says there isn't. Can you show it?Burillo wrote:i would go for the third option - it actually does have a HF roll off...sfxsound3 wrote:Slate FG-73 doesn't have a high frequency roll off - so it's either aliasing badly, or they just know how to do this correctly. Of course it doesn't cost 20 bucks either.
- KVRist
- Topic Starter
- 240 posts since 24 Sep, 2015 from Erfurt, Germany
Regarding interpolation/aa filters in oversampling: It's true that it's impossible to design such filters in a way that they become entirely transparent. What does intransparency in that context mean though? We're talking about <0.002 dB passband ripple in the 20k region, linear phase. Guess what your converter does - yep, at fs=44.1k it applies an *analog* reconstruction filter in just that 20k region to suppress spectral images. Hard to achieve remotely comparable specs in the analog domain, especially the linear phase part. So to me, the whole debate of how oversampling itself - if done right - actually audibly affects your signal is more of theoretical nature.
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- KVRAF
- 2063 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
The IK plugins don't let you chose whether to disable the "antialiasing" filter, they let you chose whether to disable internal up and down sampling (which very obviously also affects CPU usage). Of course, if you disable that, there is no need for a filter anymore.kvaca wrote: only to Kush, since all IK plugins I have used got anti-alias filtering only as option and I still think that it SHOULD be done exactly this way - because its the USER who should decide if some filtering is benefical or not for given audio source - but YMMV...
If a developer uses up/downsampling it is his responsibility to provide a good antialiasing filter, because as far as i understood, the filter is the very down sampling process, and if you omit that, you'd only have an upsampled signal with possibly lots of frequencies content above nyquist which would, tadah, result in aliasing.
That is if I understood the whole aliasing/oversampling process correctly, @BlackRooster, please correct me if I am wrong! (Hey, you're from Wuppertal. I used to live there in 94/95. But to be frank, I wasn't very sad when I left )
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- KVRian
- 1099 posts since 30 Oct, 2005
correct...especialy if he forces you to use it /=oversampling is not optional in plugin/fese wrote: If a developer uses up/downsampling it is his responsibility to provide a good antialiasing filter..
but major problem still is - some devs force us to use oversampling all the time, even if there is no reason for it, resulting in wasted cpu cycles and filtered sound...or added latency and preringing, in case when linear phase filtering is used...
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- KVRAF
- 2063 posts since 14 Sep, 2004 from $HOME
Well, if a developer uses oversampling, there is usually a good reason for it, most likely as a means to reduce aliasing in nonlinear processes.kvaca wrote:fese wrote: correct...especialy if he forces you to use it /=oversampling is not optional in plugin/
but major problem still is - some devs force us to use oversampling all the time, even if there is no reason for it, resulting in wasted cpu cycles and filtered sound...or added latency and preringing, in case when linear phase filtering is used...
And if the amplitude of the preringing is, as blackrooster stated, 0.002dB at ~20kHz, it is really a theoretical problem.
Latency, well, depends on how much it is and on the situation. For mixing, not a problem, for recording, depends.
CPU usage i agree with you, e.g. with the IK plugins I tend to switch off the oversampling, cause they use way too much CPU with it engaged, especially the channel strips. So, yes, it is nice to have an option for "low" quality, especially in things like guitar sims where you actually record through.
But "major problem" and "forces" seems a bit steep to me - I mean, nobody forces you to use these plugs, right?
ok, back to the plugin - is it any good what would I use it for?
- KVRian
- 698 posts since 7 Dec, 2009 from GWB
I think folks should look again at Kush’s AA filtering. From what I’ve seen, the assertions made and repeated here are either dated or groundless.
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- KVRAF
- 4711 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
It's one serial to unlock all your licenses isn't it? I like thatcprompt wrote:They've rolled their own, online and offline catered for, a simple license key is all you need. Very easy and unobtrusive.nicksohn wrote:copy protection?
- KVRAF
- 1604 posts since 18 Feb, 2005 from Serbia
That is right.MogwaiBoy wrote:It's one serial to unlock all your licenses isn't it? I like thatcprompt wrote:They've rolled their own, online and offline catered for, a simple license key is all you need. Very easy and unobtrusive.nicksohn wrote:copy protection?
It's easy if you know how
- KVRAF
- 1802 posts since 23 Sep, 2004 from Kocmoc
So how does it sound
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