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PhilG
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Postby PhilG; Thu Dec 07, 2017 12:39 am [solved, kind of...] AnalogLab 3/Buchla Easel- Nasty CPU bug

Hi,

just updated Analog Lab V2 to V3.
All Buchla "Pad" patches start with 100% CPU load !!

Anyone else has this?

HP 8470p
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16 GB Ram
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gohan2a
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Postby gohan2a; Fri Dec 08, 2017 12:56 pm Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

hi, i've tried with "bass wish" bass preset no problem

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DuX
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Postby DuX; Fri Dec 08, 2017 2:59 pm Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

HP Laptop? Good luck, mate. It's full of crap. Delete and start again or hire someone who knows how to setup an OS for audio.
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Postby PhilG; Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:07 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

DuX wrote:HP Laptop? Good luck, mate. It's full of crap. Delete and start again or hire someone who knows how to setup an OS for audio.


Huh, does your mum know that you´re playing with her computer?

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Postby DuX; Sun Dec 10, 2017 7:56 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

PhilG wrote:
DuX wrote:HP Laptop? Good luck, mate. It's full of crap. Delete and start again or hire someone who knows how to setup an OS for audio.


Huh, does your mum know that you´re playing with her computer?

What's that supposed to mean? I'm 47 and I've been assembling and maintaining audio computers since the 90s. All laptops come with loads of company crap installed by default and if you want to be able to use them for audio without any problems you have to install a fresh OS on it.
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Postby topaz; Sun Dec 10, 2017 8:07 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

no issue here,
OSX 12.12.6
Mac Pro 5.1
32GB

PhilG wrote:Hi,

just updated Analog Lab V2 to V3.
All Buchla "Pad" patches start with 100% CPU load !!

Anyone else has this?

HP 8470p
i7 3630QM
16 GB Ram
Windows 10 Pro 1709 64bit
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DuX
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Postby DuX; Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:18 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

topaz wrote:no issue here,
OSX 12.12.6
Mac Pro 5.1
32GB

PhilG wrote:Hi,

just updated Analog Lab V2 to V3.
All Buchla "Pad" patches start with 100% CPU load !!

Anyone else has this?

HP 8470p
i7 3630QM
16 GB Ram
Windows 10 Pro 1709 64bit

Pre-installed OSX is much easier to "tame" for audio than Windows, especially W10. :tu:

Big and less big corporations couldn't care less about the music production. :?
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Postby Scotty; Sun Dec 10, 2017 9:39 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

Ignore it... your post is helpful. I'll see if I get the same CPU behaviour on my 3930K. Thanks. - Scotty

DuX wrote:
PhilG wrote:
DuX wrote:HP Laptop? Good luck, mate. It's full of crap. Delete and start again or hire someone who knows how to setup an OS for audio.


Huh, does your mum know that you´re playing with her computer?

What's that supposed to mean? I'm 47 and I've been assembling and maintaining audio computers since the 90s. All laptops come with loads of company crap installed by default and if you want to be able to use them for audio without any problems you have to install a fresh OS on it.
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PhilG
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Postby PhilG; Sun Dec 10, 2017 11:11 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

DuX wrote:
PhilG wrote:
DuX wrote:HP Laptop? Good luck, mate. It's full of crap. Delete and start again or hire someone who knows how to setup an OS for audio.


Huh, does your mum know that you´re playing with her computer?

What's that supposed to mean? I'm 47 and I've been assembling and maintaining audio computers since the 90s. All laptops come with loads of company crap installed by default and if you want to be able to use them for audio without any problems you have to install a fresh OS on it.


I´m sorry then, but I´m quite experienced too.
The laptop got two new SSD and I installed everything from scratch without all the company crap ;)
I double checked with another Windows 10 system and there are some serious issues with some of the Buchla patches.
The CPU load doesn´t go down again even there is no audio generated anymore-
Opened a support ticket at Arturia.

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Postby CC4; Mon Dec 11, 2017 6:55 pm Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

If you check out the overview page for the Buchla Easel, it says "* Note that while our extreme modeling at the component level on the Buchla Easel V delivers insanely great analog sound, each voice of polyphony requires significant processing power to pull it off—approximately 20 percent of an i7 CPU per voice."
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Postby PhilG; Mon Dec 11, 2017 8:07 pm Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

CC4 wrote:If you check out the overview page for the Buchla Easel, it says "* Note that while our extreme modeling at the component level on the Buchla Easel V delivers insanely great analog sound, each voice of polyphony requires significant processing power to pull it off—approximately 20 percent of an i7 CPU per voice."


Nice find, but it takes 80% CPU immediately after loading some patches without a note played or it doesn´t release the CPU load when the sound faded to zero.
It can´t be right, that an idle instrument is blocking your CPU.

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Postby DuX; Mon Dec 11, 2017 10:27 pm Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

It could be using CPU per voice "in advance", like their Matrix12V, so try lowering the polyphony/number of voices. Works for Matrix12V.
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Postby PhilG; Tue Dec 12, 2017 7:55 am Re: AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

DuX wrote:It could be using CPU per voice "in advance", like their Matrix12V, so try lowering the polyphony/number of voices. Works for Matrix12V.


This is Analog Lab 3 without Buchla Easel plug-in installed.
So there´s no way to lower the polyphony.

And I can play Repro-5 in HQ some demanding 8 voice patches with 6 keys pressed without problems.
As soon as the sound fades the cpu load goes down.
That´s how it should be.

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PhilG
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Postby PhilG; Tue Dec 12, 2017 8:01 pm Re: [solved] AnalogLab 3 - Nasty bug

It´s not a bug, it´s a feature!

https://www.arturia.com/faq/buchlaeaselv/buchla-easel-v-general-questions

In my opinion this is a bad idea and bad design.
I don´t like things which force me to adapt or change my workflow.
In this case, if you want to use some sounds from Buchla Easel in a project you´re working on, you´ll have to bounce or freeze the part immediately.
Otherwise the idle instance(s) will eat a big part of the CPU power you may need for other instruments or FX.

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