NI Xmas gift?

[glokraw]

As happy as I am to receive a free plugin, wtf was all the crap I had to install to use it ? Native Instruments ISO driver, Storage controllers, I was asleep doing all this, so just clicked ok when prompted, but now im wondering wtf did I just install ?

Is this your first NI product?

If the acquisition process keeps getting worse, the question will be,

'Is this your last NI product'

Is this is the first time that an NI installer download is not supplied,
with the install processed entirely using a registration app?
And one that defaults to user-tracking turned ON?
I've got installers for Razor and Prism, is their one for Phasis
lurking somewhere, now that it's installed?

LOL! Calm down, you'll alert the CNIA to this thread and then we'll all get anal probes. I was just asking whether or not he had installed NI software before.

If you already had Native Access installed the installation of this was super easy, just put the serial in Native Access and click install. Usage tracking was turned off for me because, wait for it, I turned it off by default in Native Access.

So, if this is your first product, yes, usage tracking will be turned on, go in and turn it off. No, I don't like that but I'm not going to lose a lot of sleep over it. They do it because if they defaulted it to off then nobody would turn it on and they wouldn't get any data.

Me ? nevvvah...but

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.
It's sneaky. Few people like sneaks.

Beyond that, Native Access is slow and buggy, even the serial-number paste
process failed a few times, in a stock win-7 pro, with a decent internet
connection. Sanford Phaser installs the first time, sans the iso-driver,
sans the internet connection, sans the graphics issues.

Have they also rigged the voucher so it can't be given away?
Looks like this year it's generic text linked to the hidden tentacles beneath...

[AnX]

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.

Tone2 anyone?

[mike_the_ranger]

But no problems in here. Nice little plugin, but really really pixelated

So, problems....

Haha yeah I meant no problem installing, scanning or soundwise There are all controls usable. The graphics bug is nothing that will keep me away from using it.

[generaldiomedes]

Well, to my ears sounds great, and so many different options as well. Nice gift if you ask me.

[ghettosynth]

Me ? nevvvah...but

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.
It's sneaky. Few people like sneaks.

Here's a pro tip for you: Expect sneakiness from corporations. Always check the options of any license manager.

Beyond that, Native Access is slow and buggy, even the serial-number paste
process failed a few times, in a stock win-7 pro, with a decent internet
connection. Sanford Phaser installs the first time, sans the iso-driver,
sans the internet connection, sans the graphics issues.

Ah, iso driver, because you don't have it installed to read .iso files. It's not a conspiracy, it's really a nice feature to have on your windows machine. I'm not sure why all the crying. NI uses .iso files, it's not that big of a deal. Some vendors use .zip files, e.g., Sanford. So if you don't have a tool for that then you'll have to install that as well.

Now, as far as Sanford phaser, LOL! Nice that it's free, but it's pretty pedestrian and 32 bit only. Turn the feedback up and you can hear how outdated it sounds. Phasis sounds fantastic by comparison.

[waiting man]

Molekularish interface
but it’s just a plugin

[glokraw]

NI is lucky that Urs prefers keeping U-he small, if he ever went
big-time, NI would be crushed like a bug...er, I mean crushed like an insect.

You are a joker.

Native Instruments: 400 employees.

U-he: Like 12 employees.

Apart from that, u-he doesn't even have the right business strategy to become as big as NI, ever.

You're assuming U-he would maintain identical business plans
during a period of aggressive expansion. You're also assuming
the Fabulous 400 are all carrying their own weight, which never seems
to be obvious during NI support/customer-service topics. They've had
a couple weeks to fix their Form demo, with only krickets chirping
that probably cost them a few dozen Reaktor/Form sales.
Not trending as well as they should be. Meanwhile, Repro 5 is all
singing and dancing

I'll take the top twelve at U-he, against the bottom 300 at NI,
be it coding or beer gardening

[glokraw]

Me ? nevvvah...but

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.
It's sneaky. Few people like sneaks.

Here's a pro tip for you: Expect sneakiness from corporations. Always check the options of any license manager.

Beyond that, Native Access is slow and buggy, even the serial-number paste
process failed a few times, in a stock win-7 pro, with a decent internet
connection. Sanford Phaser installs the first time, sans the iso-driver,
sans the internet connection, sans the graphics issues.

Ah, iso driver, because you don't have it installed to read .iso files. It's not a conspiracy, it's really a nice feature to have on your windows machine. I'm not sure why all the crying. NI uses .iso files, it's not that big of a deal. Some vendors use .zip files, e.g., Sanford. So if you don't have a tool for that then you'll have to install that as well.

Now, as far as Sanford phaser, LOL! Nice that it's free, but it's pretty pedestrian and 32 bit only. Turn the feedback up and you can hear how outdated it sounds. Phasis sounds fantastic by comparison.

This new iso driver was not around or needed when I installed Form from an iso,
so it's just NI adding new and unnecessary cruft. I never use heavy feedback in a phaser,
as it replaces sublety with repetiiitiontiontiontiontiontion, and 32 bit is not
an issue on 400 k plugins. I install 7zip winrar etc myself, I wouldn't want Reaper
or U-he or any other app doing similar. It's not their computer.

I do agree that Phasis sounds very nice, and comes
with a sizeable range of presets, which I'll be trying once I get back to the dock,
and get a nice fire going. And $25 will come in handy soon enough,
so thanks and Merry Christmas to Native Intruments, home of mostly
working and always generous demos, that make for well informed purchases.
Cheers

[glokraw]

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.

Tone2 anyone?

Didn't they used to be called Tweleve Tone?

[glokraw]

NI is lucky that Urs prefers keeping U-he small, if he ever went
big-time, NI would be crushed like a bug...er, I mean crushed like an insect.

Uhe are bigger than you think, and getting bigger. But that wont last. The market wont allow it to.

Markets self-correct, not always to our whimsy,
or in our desired timeframe. Cakewalk is gone, grab their two best coders,
and in the coming firesale, pick up Dimension Pro. Imagine the U-he sound designers
having a second go-round on all those DP samples, in a scaleable gui

[Aloysius]

It's so cold these days, I would have been happier with a lump of coal.

[Russell Grand]

Still loving this plug!

[ghettosynth]

Me ? nevvvah...but

I've never seen 'User-Tracking-Enabled' printed in their ads or on a gui.
I'll bet most of their first-time customers won't even know it exists.
It's sneaky. Few people like sneaks.

Here's a pro tip for you: Expect sneakiness from corporations. Always check the options of any license manager.

Beyond that, Native Access is slow and buggy, even the serial-number paste
process failed a few times, in a stock win-7 pro, with a decent internet
connection. Sanford Phaser installs the first time, sans the iso-driver,
sans the internet connection, sans the graphics issues.

Ah, iso driver, because you don't have it installed to read .iso files. It's not a conspiracy, it's really a nice feature to have on your windows machine. I'm not sure why all the crying. NI uses .iso files, it's not that big of a deal. Some vendors use .zip files, e.g., Sanford. So if you don't have a tool for that then you'll have to install that as well.

Now, as far as Sanford phaser, LOL! Nice that it's free, but it's pretty pedestrian and 32 bit only. Turn the feedback up and you can hear how outdated it sounds. Phasis sounds fantastic by comparison.

This new iso driver was not around or needed when I installed Form from an iso,
so it's just NI adding new and unnecessary cruft.

You haven't at all made the case that it's unnecessary. Nothing additional was installed on my system so unless you have some specific detail it sounds like it's just a support requirement. If you don't like the zip example then you can think of it like any of the VC++ support libraries that get installed, or any of the thousands of chained dependencies that get installed when you install particular software in linux.

I never use heavy feedback in a phaser,
as it replaces sublety with repetiiitiontiontiontiontiontion

I didn't say that you had to use it, I said turn it up to make it obvious how weak the Sanford phaser is.

, and 32 bit is not
an issue on 400 k plugins.

For you. It is an issue for many. There's no way that you going to spin this. You sound like lazer trying to tell everyone that synth1 is as good as anything else out there today. The sSnford phaser is mediocre and outdated. Phasis is cool and fresh. If you don't want it, don't install it, but it doesn't make NI evil because the install bugs your luddite tastes.

[AnX]

The sSnford phaser is mediocre and outdated. Phasis is cool and fresh.

Opinion, not fact.

[ghettosynth]

The sSnford phaser is mediocre and outdated. Phasis is cool and fresh.

Opinion, not fact.

It's not, but honestly, if you can't hear it yourself and you don't want to take my word for it, then I really don't care.