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Postby staiff; Sat Jan 13, 2018 1:48 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

Tu m'étonnes, "Tous les cris les SOS" c'était presque du Peter Gabriel.
but alors you are French ??? :o

Bon, vite fait dans la langue de Moliere: Juste envahis parfois par des gars qui n'y connaissent rien mais répondent quand même et c'est toujours la même réponse. le pire c'est qu'ils n'en n'ont jamais possédé un, donc ne savent même pas ce qu'on en fait. Mais c'est la réponse qu'on donne un seul modèle...

Quant à Balavoine c'était un gros Fan de Peter Gabriel, il a découvert le Fairlight grace à lui sur "Sledgehammer" ou "Don't give up" et c'est pour ça qu'il s'en est acheté un.... Si je ne dis pas de bêtises il n'y en avait que 2 en France à cette période (JMJ et lui)
Allez retour à la langue de Shakespear...

According to discogs, the synth on "Don't you want me" by Jody Watley (1987) was a Kurzweil K250, so a sampler...
i forgot this .... Came before the 2000/2500 series.

Don't miss the drum machines too : Yamaha RX8, Boss DR550
of course. but i prefer the linnDrumm, the Oberheim LMX and the Dynacord Percuter.... love these sounds... i hate the TR-808 sound ... strange, no for a 80s fan ?

Digital synths (DX7, D50, M1), romplers and samples, and stock sounds and presets, no sound design.

- uh ? DX-7 is not rompler, but stock sounds and presets yes... Sine DCO (or VCO maybe ?)
- D-50 has just small short attack samples and after that classical waveforms via DCO. It also have some looped samples. in the case of Digitalnativedance presets it's only samples playing at different sarting point.
- M1 has totally samples, even the waveforms. No VCO (in fact yes it has DCO for reading the samples, but i would say classical waveforms VCO/DCO)

for info all the 90s synth will copy the M1 (even the JV Roland series) that use only samples (waveforms are samples based)

EN GROS:
before 1986/7: subtractive with analog VCO/Filters. with exeption:
1975: NED Synclavier with FM and sampling possibilities.
1981: PPG Wave: Using wavetable waveforms...(not fan of this).
1983: DX-7 FM synthesis
1984: Juno-106: DCO instead of VCO, but VCF... Is it the first DCO synth ? not sure...
1986-1987/... Romplers players (and not synth) With DCO, DCF ...but analog outputs (or feeling ...)
1990: Totally Digital. Totally sample based.
after 1990: Analog recreation with digital technics. Beggining of VSTi...

to answer the first question (the 80s/90s synth used):
the synths yes ... But don't forget .... The music ! Playing on a Jupiter-8 (for example or else) wont give you the 80s feeling ! You can play very modern music on a Jupiter-8, prophet-5, etc....

there is also the music style... And like said Xabilon, the FX, the recording, The mastering... Lot of things made this particular sounds...
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Postby dark water; Sat Jan 13, 2018 2:27 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

I'm surprised this very well known synth hasn't been mentioned more in this thread for the 1980s pop productions, as it made many appearances on tracks either as the main instrument or as an accompanying instrument:

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List of Fairlight pop songs / artists, as per this Gearslutz thread include:
https://www.gearslutz.com/board/electro ... music.html


Apropos nothing, check out Benge's Twenty Systems CD which is a brilliant album in its own right but which also features 20 leading synths in chronological order from the very late 1960s to the mid/late 1980s:
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Music Bird
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Postby Music Bird; Sat Jan 13, 2018 3:56 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

What about this music from 1991-1993?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oEDZ7TAANKg 1992 3 Anak Centil Cublak-Cublak Suweng the solo including the bass stab near the end of it the whole song basically
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NTJOR-ezNg The whole song Soleram 3 Anak Manis 1991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_Hs6abmCw The whole song Semut Kecil Melisa 1991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KcUHVfIC8uc Si Kancil Melisa 1993 the whole song
Especially the guitar/sitar like parts, bass, drums, and synth sounds. And the offbeat chords. This is the 90's music I am EXTREMELY curious about. If you recognize presets, let me know.
So what synths were used in these?
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Sat Jan 13, 2018 4:22 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

Even cold can sound good, like on Art of Noise's Moments in Love 8)
But sound-wise I still consider Thriller the best-sounding album, whatever they used, probably mostly old-skool analog synths.
staiff
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Postby staiff; Sat Jan 13, 2018 5:39 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

"I'm surprised this very well known synth hasn't been mentioned more in this thread for the 1980s pop productions"

we mentioned this....Re-read us again... the fairlight was THE sampler for Peter gabriel, Daniel Balavoine, Art of noise, herbie hanckok (rock-it is a huge fairlight demo), Paul Hardcastle (nineteen) too, and YELO ("oh yeah" is a fairlight hymn).
if i say well for the case of Propaganda it was the emulator.... but i doubt they also used the fairlight...
Fairlight and Emulator I was 8bits. Emulator II was 12.
Emulator II appears in the "journey of Ferris Bueller" movie. just take a look at this tribute (and the fairlight, Emulator I and II and other "old" samplers too):

http://marcelstudios.eu/ferris-rompler/

do you know that fairlight was the first to have the "shakuachi" flute. After that Emulator II had it also. That's why when we heard it, it could be EII or Fairlight...

"But sound-wise I still consider Thriller the best-sounding album, whatever they used, probably mostly old-skool analog synths."
yes the instruments... But Also Quincy Jones behind the mixer... a Huge part of the "sound"...
dark water
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Postby dark water; Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:35 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

staiff wrote:"I'm surprised this very well known synth hasn't been mentioned more in this thread for the 1980s pop productions"

we mentioned this....Re-read us again... the fairlight was THE sampler for Peter gabriel, Daniel Balavoine, Art of noise...


I'm assuming you're not a native English speaker.
You, and only you, mentioned the Fairlight name once in this thread, with no further details.
Hence my opening sentence and the key word "more", as well as the link to the Fairlight thread at GS.
I'm more than aware of the Fairlight's usage in 80s pop songs - hence my linking of that GS thread here for anyone who might find it helpful.

"Re-read us again" - keep your rude commands to yourself, particulary when they are thoroughly unjustified.
I can see some other people have also tried to contribute here, but you've just come here to state subjective opinions and cause arguments when someone else has a different view.
There's many of us here who have used synths since the 1970s/1980s, not just you.
Music Bird
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Postby Music Bird; Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:46 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

Music Bird wrote:What about this music from 1991-1993?
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=oEDZ7TAANKg 1992 3 Anak Centil Cublak-Cublak Suweng the solo including the bass stab near the end of it the whole song basically
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4NTJOR-ezNg The whole song Soleram 3 Anak Manis 1991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=3M_Hs6abmCw The whole song Semut Kecil Melisa 1991
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=KcUHVfIC8uc Si Kancil Melisa 1993 the whole song
Especially the guitar/sitar like parts, bass, drums, and synth sounds. And the offbeat chords. This is the 90's music I am EXTREMELY curious about. If you recognize presets, let me know.
So what synths were used in these?

Anyone? I'm extremely curious about the synths in these songs...
I'm wondering if anyone can help identify the synths? Please help, I think some of the patches were programmed.
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staiff
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Postby staiff; Sat Jan 13, 2018 6:48 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

@dark water:
no, not native English. French.
that's maybe why i wrote could maybe not really right...

Rude ? No; i think not. But again, my bad English could be seen as it. Your last lines seems to prove that i'm not understood as i thought.

Not important...
Important is the question post in the first thread.

for info i love the Fairlight. very particular sampler. but i prefer the Emulator II. The twice machines sounds different and each of it has personnal advantage.

As i prefer Jupiter-8 than OBX or Prophet-5. But i love to use these also ... I think i prefer Curtis filter than Moog filter... Question of feeling...

@MusicBird:
i search this very wellknown drum sound ! i will find it ! first idea Linn; but seems to be another. Maybe numeric drums ALA Simmons.
Lot of D-50 in these videos. that sound like French music in Children TV show "Club Dorothée" where keyboard player used D-50 for the BG music and the French version of anime themes. The brassy sound is definitively the D-50. Found on French site:
"Le D-50 a été massivement utilisé par Bernard Minet dans les génériques de dessins animés du Club Dorothée, tels la chanson de Bioman"
"The D-50 was massively used by Bernard Minet in the credits of Cartoons Club Dorothée, such as the song of Bioman".
Take a look at this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=234a0963oVw
some sounds are similar,no ? played with D-50
another ones (ear the synth and drum sounds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbg-InH7EGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUBnnrvTC2o
will try to find what drums they used. Synths are D-50 and sometimes (but not frequent M1)

But for the sitar sound, not sure...
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Postby dark water; Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:02 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

staiff wrote:@dark water:
no, not native English. French.
that's maybe why i wrote could maybe not really right...

Rude ? No; i think not. But again, my bad English could be seen as it. Your last lines seems to prove that i'm not understood as i thought.

Not important...
Important is the question post in the first thread.

for info i love the Fairlight. very particular sampler. but i prefer the Emulator II. The twice machines sounds different and each of it has personnal advantage.


Fair enough Staiff, it's no big problem.

If you like the Emulator II sound, and if you use Kontakt software (rather than an actual hardware Emulator II), you might want to look at a couple of interesting products by Guy Birt (at Rhythmic Robot):

http://www.rhythmicrobot.com/product/eii-synthulator
http://www.rhythmicrobot.com/product/em ... unds-vol-1
http://www.rhythmicrobot.com/product/em ... unds-vol-2


As for the OP's presets question, I've also heard those presets a few times, but I couldn't name them.

:phones:
Music Bird
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Postby Music Bird; Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:11 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

staiff wrote:@dark water:
no, not native English. French.
that's maybe why i wrote could maybe not really right...

Rude ? No; i think not. But again, my bad English could be seen as it. Your last lines seems to prove that i'm not understood as i thought.

Not important...
Important is the question post in the first thread.

for info i love the Fairlight. very particular sampler. but i prefer the Emulator II. The twice machines sounds different and each of it has personnal advantage.

As i prefer Jupiter-8 than OBX or Prophet-5. But i love to use these also ... I think i prefer Curtis filter than Moog filter... Question of feeling...

@MusicBird:
i search this very wellknown drum sound ! i will find it ! first idea Linn; but seems to be another. Maybe numeric drums ALA Simmons.
Lot of D-50 in these videos. that sound like French music in Children TV show "Club Dorothée" where keyboard player used D-50 for the BG music and the French version of anime themes. The brassy sound is definitively the D-50. Found on French site:
"Le D-50 a été massivement utilisé par Bernard Minet dans les génériques de dessins animés du Club Dorothée, tels la chanson de Bioman"
"The D-50 was massively used by Bernard Minet in the credits of Cartoons Club Dorothée, such as the song of Bioman".
Take a look at this videos:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=234a0963oVw
some sounds are similar,no ? played with D-50
another ones (ear the synth and drum sounds):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rbg-InH7EGo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUBnnrvTC2o
will try to find what drums they used. Synths are D-50 and sometimes (but not frequent M1)

But for the sitar sound, not sure...

Thanks. Those drums might be a Roland R8 on the Soleram song, I'm sure. I'm pretty sure there's FM synths, maybe DX7 or SY-77 in the songs. On the French songs, I saw a video where they were playing an Oberheim synth and a JX-10. Also, you're right, the D-50 is everywhere in those songs.
Gear
Casio and Yamaha keyboards (including MX49)
iPad
Soon getting
iPad Air
M-Audio Keystation II 61 (to control iPad and JP-08).
Roland JP-08
For my birthday.
staiff
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Postby staiff; Sat Jan 13, 2018 7:18 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

@musicBird:
yes !!!!
may find R8 sounds because i don't really know how is it (the sound). For the FM synths think you're right because sometimes we can hear classic metallic/glassy sounds that only FM synth can produce. But could be played by some Korg (wavestation and younger models) synths if i don't write stupid things. as the date is 1992, it could be the Yamaha SY (77 or 99) for the FM and why not the DX-7 already most used in 1992.
i continue to search the drum sound ;)

EDIT:
you're wright or pretty close:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ILl32pAXDY
and this maybe (R70):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=REEN2wDEr8A
but i think it could be the EMU sp12 or akai MPC that can have this samples/drumset.
Music Bird
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Postby Music Bird; Sat Jan 13, 2018 8:30 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

Yeah definitely those drums. Also, maybe some Casio RZ-1. What about the analog synth style sounds? Were there any really cheap analog synths or digital hybrids?
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iPad
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M-Audio Keystation II 61 (to control iPad and JP-08).
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Postby fluffy_little_something; Sat Jan 13, 2018 11:02 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

staiff wrote:yes the instruments... But Also Quincy Jones behind the mixer... a Huge part of the "sound"...


Jones and Swedien...
The musicians were also great, most songs as well.
A lot of the charm came from the mix of synths and real instruments, like the tight brass section, drums, percussion, guitar, bass guitar...
Synth-only music is simply missing something in my view. On Thriller there were probably more real instruments than synths.
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Postby staiff; Sat Jan 13, 2018 12:00 pm Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

@ fluffy_little_something:
totally right.
and David Paich (Toto) on the keyboards (yamaha GS-1 and CS-80), van Halen (guitar on all album, especially beat-it)

real instruments ? yes, of course. that's the mix beetween real instruments and synths that maybe give this sound so ... Particular.

I think for the US Thriller is an example of the 80s sound. Not only synth, not only Fx, not only mix. Just the feeling. that makes the sound.

Maybe the same thing for the UK 70s with David Bowie (not only but.... Oh f...ck i forgot Pink floyd !!!!)
and maybe Queen for the late70/80.

Not only the instruments.... more .... human.... more ....feeling .... more.... :roll:
yes you talk about real brass sweiden and Jones was jazz man at the beggining. working with ray charles, Wonder, Charlie Parker and many more. THE music ! I love and i am a fan of 80s but 50s US rock, 60s UK rock to 70 Funk (passing by jazz, soul, 60s RNB) and many more is a real school for musician for me. Must have, must learn...

EDIT: because i'm fan of this songs: ghostbusters (RPJ) and power of love (HL&TN) are also 80s US sound. Not Only. But these songs was mix beetween acoustic and synths. And the sound is so ....

the 70s and 80s sound was made with research, errors that became a standard, imagination ... something "special" that we forgot for the actual music ....

Just for info: Do you know that the voices for "staying alive" (bee gees) was recorded in France in the (dead) studio d'Herouville in the .... Stairs ...beetween the entrance and the studio ? because the bee gees discovered that the sound of the hall/stairs was so "beautiful" for the voices... ?
Not in studio, not with a lot of FX or else ... just stairs and mics ... a lesson for me (just only for me, but ...)
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Postby jameszprod01; Sat Feb 10, 2018 6:09 am Re: What synths were used in 80's and 90's pop, freestyle, and R&B productions?

Anyone else know some popular machines other than the linndrum?
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