Stereo field imager for proper orchestral re-panning?

[vrbunkos]

In my experience, orchestral music does not fare that well with ordinary stereo-imaging plugins, as these are mostly expressed in 2D.

Orchestral layouts, being complex and detailed, would do better with 3D imaging/placement tools, i.e. not just left, center and right, but also behind and above/below, etc.

I would suggest that you might check out some of the simpler "acousmodule" 3D spatializing vsts of Jean-Marc Duchenne. He is an internationally well-known French acousmatic composer, a pioneer in its spatial developments especially.

LINKS:
free vst including spatial-imaging plugins:
http://acousmodules.free.fr/

for questions, suggestions, communicate with him via:
https://www.facebook.com/AcousModules-1532963367021157/
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewforum.php?f=59

His website has lectures, recordings and videos showing how he uses the acousmodules and various other software:
http://sonsdanslair.free.fr/index.htm
also here:
http://acousmodules.free.fr/ressources.htm

[evilantal]

I actually looked into all of them and nothing was something I asked for.
If you use all these plugins, once you open them they show the meter in the center. Then you can pan them to the left or right. What I asked for is a visualizer or a parameter which tells you how much a pre-panned audio file is panned, so you can center them exactly again. So with all these plugins I can of course pan them back and forth by ear, but the whole point of this topic was the question if there is anything that >tells you the amount< of how much you pan them back.

I would image that would be very difficult for a plugin to assess without the unpanned, totally dry sound as a reference.
Because it's not only about left to right panning, as was noted above, but also about front to back depth. In terms of ERs and tail reflections.
How would the plugin know how to assess how much reverb/reflections were added to the original signal?

[jancivil]

I actually looked into all of them and nothing was something I asked for.
If you use all these plugins, once you open them they show the meter in the center. Then you can pan them to the left or right. What I asked for is a visualizer or a parameter which tells you how much a pre-panned audio file is panned, so you can center them exactly again. So with all these plugins I can of course pan them back and forth by ear, but the whole point of this topic was the question if there is anything that >tells you the amount< of how much you pan them back.

The one I showed you absolutely gives you an image of what you have. What do you THINK the image shows?

[jancivil]

In my experience, orchestral music does not fare that well with ordinary stereo-imaging plugins, as these are mostly expressed in 2D.

Orchestral layouts, being complex and detailed, would do better with 3D imaging/placement tools, i.e. not just left, center and right, but also behind and above/below, etc.

I would suggest that you might check out some of the simpler "acousmodule" 3D spatializing vsts of Jean-Marc Duchenne. He is an internationally well-known French acousmatic composer, a pioneer in its spatial developments especially.

LINKS

shilltastic


We listen to orchestra music for the most part in stereo, which is NOT "2-D" in the first place.
This was just an opportunity to promote something off-topic. And the failure of fact which is the very premise of this launchpad is kind of hilarious, very pretentious.

[evilantal]

Another route would be to try to remove the reverberation from the samples to make them dry.
Something like Sonible's frei:raum uses machine learning algorithms to achieve this.