I'm truly trying to understand your post but I guess I must really be dense because I really don't know what you're trying to say.jancivil wrote:You have moved the goalposts. This is not the same premise as in the OP.wagtunes wrote: All I'm asking for is the same quality in technology for human voice synthesis but for whatever reason, this seems to be the cutoff point as far as acceptance goes. Sample libraries, yes, human vocal synthesis at the same quality, no.
I find this hypocritical. I don't see the difference between somebody who spent years learning to play the violin and somebody who spent years learning to sing.
So I'm open to somebody explaining to me the "ethical" difference.
I for one have tried to go into explaining the ethical issues of the notion in the OP. This is a different matter. I endeavored to cover this difference in my words before.
However, while I do not play, eg., the saxophone, no member of the sax choir, I have WORKED WITH saxophones and deeply. So I am able to produce a convincing sax solo, which is a bit special, out of that. I have spent some time watching orchestras and working for an orchestra and the choice of that job is a no-brainer. Setting up the orchestra and schlepping its gear about in a truck. So I know from the real here as well. I think contact with people is good. It occurs to me that music comes from people much of the time. I don't hate people to the extent as you have stated.
I've upset people numerous times here insisting you need to have an instrument, one at least, under your belt before you feature yourself as ready to write. I'm consistent. My idea I think is coherent and this was not my worst writing, I think my objections were conveyed well enough to grasp.
You say I "need to have an instrument under my belt before I feature myself as ready to write." I guess what you mean is I need to know how to actually play an instrument before I can write for it. Well, I took piano lessons. I actually can play the piano. I learned guitar. I can play guitar. Not great, but well enough to at least pass on a recording. I could play you some of my guitar stuff but you're probably not interested so I won't bore you with it.
I have also played drums in a band. Well enough that they didn't throw me out of the band. Of course these were personal friends so that helped as well.
Point is, I do play instruments. I mean before all this technology I really didn't have a choice.
So does that qualify me to be able to write music? I just want to get that much out of the way first before we continue this discussion any further. Because if you feel it still doesn't, then I guess we don't have anything else to talk about.
And, no offense intended, but regardless of your personal feelings about whether or not I should be permitted to write for a particular instrument depending on whether or not I can play that instrument, this is still a free country and I can do whatever I want as long as I don't break the law. That doesn't make me immoral just because I want to pull up a violin VST (I have never played violin) or any other instrument just because I never played it.
Wanting a piece of software that "plays" a human voice (and I actually did sing at one point in my life so I guess that does qualify me there) doesn't make me immoral either.
So maybe I'm just not understanding what it is you're trying to say. And if so, I will take all the blame for that with my stupidity and ignorance.