Greetings!
This is my first post in this forums, and I actually have a question about tone.
I am an ambient/rock/metal guitar player, and I have a couple of VST FX which helped me dialing lots of good and heavy, dreamy and catchy tones.
Now, I need my most favorite drone-y and doomy tone. The SunnO))) tone. I read lots of Interviews from Stephen F. O'Malley, and he mentioned Fuzz pedals to get a sustained and distorted tone. I tried Facial Fuzz (from POD Farm) and that fuzz pedal from Guitar Rig. I think I also need a good delay for that.
I really need your help on a good delay and a good fuzz plugin.
Dialing SunnO))) tone with VSTs?
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- KVRAF
- 4711 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
I'll bite...
Guitar > Interface > Fuzz > Pitchshift (-1 + -2 octaves) > Distortion Amp modulation.
Tune guitar as low as possible and wear a cloak. And don't forget a smoke machine and strobe light in your bedroom studio to complete the aesthetic \m/
Guitar > Interface > Fuzz > Pitchshift (-1 + -2 octaves) > Distortion Amp modulation.
Tune guitar as low as possible and wear a cloak. And don't forget a smoke machine and strobe light in your bedroom studio to complete the aesthetic \m/
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- KVRAF
- 3477 posts since 27 Dec, 2002 from North East England
I was always under the impression that the immense volume Sunn O))) play at live is a key part of their sound with regard to feedback behaviour, but I've thought it for so long that it's honestly 50/50 as to whether I read it somewhere or just pulled it out of my arse.
Would brain-rattling volume be necessary in a studio setting, and if we're sticking with plug-ins (I haven't played electric since the FastTracker 2 days), is it feasible to get it in and out of the box with low enough latency to get solid feedback effects?
Would brain-rattling volume be necessary in a studio setting, and if we're sticking with plug-ins (I haven't played electric since the FastTracker 2 days), is it feasible to get it in and out of the box with low enough latency to get solid feedback effects?
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- KVRAF
- 4711 posts since 26 Nov, 2015 from Way Downunder
The volume thing is a little overated - yes it's essential for live because the physics of that extreme oppressive level of sound pressure overwhelms the listener. Evolutionary biologists even say the sheer volume may ellicit primal "fight or flight" chemical responses in the brain. But when your whole song is a couple of chords then you need to bring something else to the table to make the live experience visceral and dramatic.. and this band does that with cloaks, disorienting lightshows, esoteric imagery and Volume.
HOWEVER...
Being a guitarist I know you can get huge, huge sounds in the studio with lower volumes (feedback somewhat needs volume but pedals can help coax it out at lower volumes)... but it's definitely more fun to ask the rest of the band to leave the room and crank the stereo rig to max
I dunno - I've always liked the band Earth more....
HOWEVER...
Being a guitarist I know you can get huge, huge sounds in the studio with lower volumes (feedback somewhat needs volume but pedals can help coax it out at lower volumes)... but it's definitely more fun to ask the rest of the band to leave the room and crank the stereo rig to max
I dunno - I've always liked the band Earth more....
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Their drone or post-drone era? Anyhow, Dylan Carlson is an amazing guitarist and artist.MogwaiBoy wrote:
I dunno - I've always liked the band Earth more....
I still have to see SunnO))) live. Some of my friends did several times and they were blown away by the viceral & unique experience.
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- KVRAF
- 2565 posts since 2 Jul, 2010
Highly recommend seeing them live. Bring decent earplugs.
Drop guitar tuning to baritone/7-string range. Use some kind of overdrive to slam an amp with a lot of gain. Use feedback to keep the note going.
What's nice about feedback with these low power chords is you get a good period of warbling noise, compared to the shrieking sustain of high notes with feedback.
There is something special about the Model T amps they use; the only other band I've seen to get a similarly epic drone sound was Boris... and they were also using a Model T! Toying around at home I've had the best luck slamming bassman and 5150 models. Marshall and Mesa type amps try to hard to do their own thing.
Drop guitar tuning to baritone/7-string range. Use some kind of overdrive to slam an amp with a lot of gain. Use feedback to keep the note going.
What's nice about feedback with these low power chords is you get a good period of warbling noise, compared to the shrieking sustain of high notes with feedback.
There is something special about the Model T amps they use; the only other band I've seen to get a similarly epic drone sound was Boris... and they were also using a Model T! Toying around at home I've had the best luck slamming bassman and 5150 models. Marshall and Mesa type amps try to hard to do their own thing.
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- KVRian
- 687 posts since 17 Sep, 2007 from Planet Thanet
Some amps need to be pushed hard to get their best tone. Unfortunately this can mean ultraloud if , like the ModelT, it's running four 6L6s in the power amp. There's a pic of the pedal board which shows a wide range of fuzz/drive/boost pedals:
Check your ampsims for an amp using 6L6s in the power amp and season with any Rat / Sovtek BMP / drive sims you have.
Check your ampsims for an amp using 6L6s in the power amp and season with any Rat / Sovtek BMP / drive sims you have.
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
you have everything you need to get a good recorded sound - Guitar Rig. It is just a matter of putting in the time to figure out your own version of the sound you admire. Rammfire is a nice extension for Guitar Rig or maybe a separate product based on guitar rig - anyway it is good for some distorted tones, but everything you need is in Guitar Rig. The rest is up to your playing and how creative you are in developing techniques of composition and playing that will give you what you want
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- KVRAF
- 2357 posts since 24 Nov, 2012
why use +/- whole octaves, perhaps 10.7 semitones up and 11.22 down is the way to goMogwaiBoy wrote:I'll bite...
Guitar > Interface > Fuzz > Pitchshift (-1 + -2 octaves) > Distortion Amp modulation.
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secretkillerofnames secretkillerofnames https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=283916 - KVRian
- 594 posts since 9 Jul, 2012
Having experienced them thrice I feel like SunnO))) is about amps, low frequency oscillations and rooms.
You could certainly get close to the album sound with Guitar Rig but the experience of sympathetic resonance in a live room is what makes them special IMHO.
You could certainly get close to the album sound with Guitar Rig but the experience of sympathetic resonance in a live room is what makes them special IMHO.
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- KVRian
- 908 posts since 10 Jan, 2010
pretty sure the Model T (at least the originals, dunno about the Fender reissues) are 6550/KT88s, not 6L6s. it matters (though I've mostly only used the sunn bass amps).resynthesis wrote:Some amps need to be pushed hard to get their best tone. Unfortunately this can mean ultraloud if , like the ModelT, it's running four 6L6s in the power amp. There's a pic of the pedal board which shows a wide range of fuzz/drive/boost pedals:
Check your ampsims for an amp using 6L6s in the power amp and season with any Rat / Sovtek BMP / drive sims you have.
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 20 Mar, 2018
Oh That will be amazing but neighbors will call the police as soon as they realize someone did something that evil in an apartment complexMogwaiBoy wrote:I'll bite...
Guitar > Interface > Fuzz > Pitchshift (-1 + -2 octaves) > Distortion Amp modulation.
Tune guitar as low as possible and wear a cloak. And don't forget a smoke machine and strobe light in your bedroom studio to complete the aesthetic \m/
) For the sound output I use my laptop speakers (pure $#!t) but it's safer!
The volume is important, but it's not my actual problem. I could solve this problem using compressor plugins/pedals and get loud and sustained tone from my guitar (even my guitar is not designed for this purpose, it's a very normal beginner guitar). I think I need some kind of "Frippertronics" to get that nice and mind-blowing feedback.cron wrote:I was always under the impression that the immense volume Sunn O))) play at live is a key part of their sound with regard to feedback behaviour, but I've thought it for so long that it's honestly 50/50 as to whether I read it somewhere or just pulled it out of my arse.
Would brain-rattling volume be necessary in a studio setting, and if we're sticking with plug-ins (I haven't played electric since the FastTracker 2 days), is it feasible to get it in and out of the box with low enough latency to get solid feedback effects?
I like Earth too. Dylan Carlson is one of my greatest inspirations on guitar and composition. But, to be honest, I don't like their drone music.MogwaiBoy wrote: I dunno - I've always liked the band Earth more....
I also have to see them live. Unfortunately, they have no plans for performances in Iran, and I also think here the government won't let them perform ( I still don't know how they let Schiller and Olafur Arnalds perform in Tehran and ShirazNeon Breath wrote: I still have to see SunnO))) live. Some of my friends did several times and they were blown away by the viceral & unique experience.
), but I watched videos of their performances. It's a magical performance! I try this trick, too. I did lots of my recording with a Baritone tuning (used transformer to tune my guitar down). But I think I still need a good pitch-shifter plugin. any suggestions?imrae wrote:Highly recommend seeing them live. Bring decent earplugs.
Drop guitar tuning to baritone/7-string range. Use some kind of overdrive to slam an amp with a lot of gain. Use feedback to keep the note going.
What's nice about feedback with these low power chords is you get a good period of warbling noise, compared to the shrieking sustain of high notes with feedback.
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I never heard of Rammfire before. I'll do a research on that!woggle wrote:you have everything you need to get a good recorded sound - Guitar Rig. It is just a matter of putting in the time to figure out your own version of the sound you admire. Rammfire is a nice extension for Guitar Rig or maybe a separate product based on guitar rig - anyway it is good for some distorted tones, but everything you need is in Guitar Rig. The rest is up to your playing and how creative you are in developing techniques of composition and playing that will give you what you want
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
Do you guys think SunnO))) could replicate and reproduce their sound with amp sims?
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- KVRAF
- 4218 posts since 15 Sep, 2010
For anyone interested, pretty cool and interesting interview/lecture by the man himself, O’Malley.
Often talking about the live VS in studio aspect of music.
https://youtu.be/m-ZdB7pEvAs
Often talking about the live VS in studio aspect of music.
https://youtu.be/m-ZdB7pEvAs
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- KVRer
- Topic Starter
- 27 posts since 20 Mar, 2018
I don't think so, because I tried a lot. But, I hope I could get a tone close to thatNeon Breath wrote:Do you guys think SunnO))) could replicate and reproduce their sound with amp sims?
