Now I Understand Why People Hate iLok
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21190 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
And here's something else I know from experience. By upgrading to the latest version I DO run the risk of totally screwing up my machine. There is no guarantee that a new version is going to fix anything OR that it won't make things worse.
Right now, my ONLY problem is PACE not starting. That's now easily correctable by simply going to Task Manager and starting the service.
Not something worth risking upgrading just to possibly invite other problems.
Right now, my ONLY problem is PACE not starting. That's now easily correctable by simply going to Task Manager and starting the service.
Not something worth risking upgrading just to possibly invite other problems.
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- KVRist
- 283 posts since 22 Sep, 2015
Shouldn't the topics title be "Now I Understand Why People Hate PACE" if it's not an ilok problem? But if you already know what causes the problem then why don't you close this thread and fix the problem?
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- KVRAF
- 35231 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
... says the guy with hundred VSTi's installed.wagtunes wrote: Not something worth risking upgrading just to possibly invite other problems.
Sorry, just pulling your legs a bit.
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- KVRAF
- 2677 posts since 20 Jun, 2012
The problem with iLok is again very well ilustrated on Gearslutz. Steven Slate introduces new version of VMR, second page in complaints about iLok not working and screwing up system start.
Copy protection should be completely invisible but iLok is the highest maintanance system that needs constant fiddling. At the same time cracked iLok plugins work without any problems and the paying users get screwed.
If Windows updates broke iLok then the fault lies solely with the Pace. It's their job to keep their sh1t up to date and compatible with Windows updates.
Copy protection should be completely invisible but iLok is the highest maintanance system that needs constant fiddling. At the same time cracked iLok plugins work without any problems and the paying users get screwed.
If Windows updates broke iLok then the fault lies solely with the Pace. It's their job to keep their sh1t up to date and compatible with Windows updates.
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- KVRAF
- 5911 posts since 8 Jul, 2009
Here's a personal anecdote:
Works fine for me. MacOS/Logicrobotmonkey wrote:The problem with iLok is again very well ilustrated on Gearslutz. Steven Slate introduces new version of VMR, second page in complaints about iLok not working and screwing up system start..
I've been using iLok hardware for 2 years now and have had 0 problems.robotmonkey wrote:Copy protection should be completely invisible but iLok is the highest maintanance system that needs constant fiddling. At the same time cracked iLok plugins work without any problems and the paying users get screwed..
woof woofrobotmonkey wrote:If Windows updates broke iLok then the fault lies solely with the Pace. It's their job to keep their sh1t up to date and compatible with Windows updates.
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- KVRAF
- 4751 posts since 22 Nov, 2012
All I know is my system is so fast and light and performance geared. I don't have to have special permission from a third party to use it, I didn't have to hand over control of my computer to a third party to use it, and I didn't have to pay an extra fee or give my information yet another online company to use it. Have fun with your uber special mal ware.
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- KVRAF
- 35231 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
Not sure what all that has to do with iLok, but, mkay...Dasheesh wrote:All I know is my system is so fast and light and performance geared. I don't have to have special permission from a third party to use it, I didn't have to hand over control of my computer to a third party to use it, and I didn't have to pay an extra fee or give my information yet another online company to use it.
- Banned
- 1583 posts since 19 Aug, 2011
Fantastic news, people! iLok is working perfectly! Close thread!plexuss wrote:
Works fine for me. MacOS/Logic
I've been using iLok hardware for 2 years now and have had 0 problems.
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- KVRAF
- 35231 posts since 11 Apr, 2010 from Germany
What's so difficult to grasp about "works for me"?BMoore wrote:Fantastic news, people! iLok is working perfectly! Close thread!plexuss wrote:
Works fine for me. MacOS/Logic
I've been using iLok hardware for 2 years now and have had 0 problems.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21190 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
First of all, the topic is not about my problem. I'm perfectly fine living with it. I stated that right up front. I'm not an iLok hater. The point is that I understand, because of the problems, why people hate iLok.Soundplex wrote:Shouldn't the topics title be "Now I Understand Why People Hate PACE" if it's not an ilok problem? But if you already know what causes the problem then why don't you close this thread and fix the problem?
Second of all, there's nothing that can be fixed. The fix is simply to start the service when it's not running. That is the only known solution, which is not a "fix" per say. In other words, it's something that we simply have to live with.
Again, the point of the thread is just to empathize with those who hate iLok. I can understand why.
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- KVRAF
- 15497 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
That's not necessarily true. Maybe the particular choices don't matter to you, but they matter to others. To say that the majority of the most experienced reverb devs are on iLok is a fact. To argue that others don't need/want those because their are other choices is not.wagtunes wrote:iLok user here. No hater. Not even going to argue with anything you've said. Statistically, it does appear that some of the best reverbs are iLok protected. But here's my point. I have what I feel are excellent reverbs that don't require iLok. It's not like there are no alternatives that aren't great quality. So you CAN get a quality reverb without having to use iLok. That's all that matters. As long as there are choices, there is no need to use iLok.ghettosynth wrote:Soundtoys could be replaced. I don't even have the bundle because it's been one of those "on the fence" purchases for me for some time. But I challenged the group to name the replacement for some of Zynaptiq's stuff, particularly pitchmap. There were several others that I named off as well, but Zynaptiq's stuff is particularly distinct.2ZrgE wrote:Someone should do a psychological study.Mushy Mushy wrote:This is my point, yes they would. To rephrase your question as a statement you’re saying the best plugins are ilok protected which simply isn’t true.Synthman2000 wrote:Would they be as good ? Is the important question.
Don’t get me wrong I am ilok’d. Only for Soundtoys and I love them to bits, but if you took them away from me I’d find a substitute in a heartbeat.
Give a group of people a VST in two variants, tell them that one is iLok-protected, and one is 'just' serial protected.
Let them hear the same sounds without knowing...
I'm sure most of the people would say that the iLok stuff sounds better...
Moreover, because you could find a replacement is not a negation of the claim that the best plugins are dongle protected. I think that the best reverb plugins are largely dongle protected. There are some exceptional counterexamples, but it's a statistical statement, not an absolute statement. Eventide, Lexicon, TC Electronics, Exponential Audio, Ircam, and now even Liquisonics, are all iLok. Maybe you don't think that they're the best, but I'm not sure that you're going to convince many people otherwise. Again, if you know something that is much better than those and it isn't dongle protected, I want to hear about it.
Maybe YOU don't NEED iLok. I have no interest in these silly positions. I think that the majority of the best software in my studio is protected by iLok (or eLicenser) and there are few choices that are better overall. So regardless of what you think are replacements, others will not agree. I don't agree, for example, that Valhallla reverbs can replace my preferred choices on iLok. 2CAudio might replace some of them, but they are rather expensive. In fact, Valhalla is actually quite expensive compared to what I actually paid for my collection of, e.g., Eventide reverbs.
Again, please tell me what replaces pitchmap. Look it up before you dismiss itAgain, like I said, I have found only one product that absolutely has zero competition because it is the only company that makes what it does and that's Vocaloid.
It is for me and to prove that wrong you have to prove, for me, that plugins will replace my preferred choices. No offense, but I don't think that you have the skills to do that. I think that those who are asserting that iLok isn't necessary should be honest about how much time that they've spent studying the various products.So outside of one platform, iLok is not a must have for anybody.
So again, if you think that you know what can replace Ircam verb3, then tell me, I will demo it.
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- KVRist
- 283 posts since 22 Sep, 2015
No the point of this thread is again whoring for attention. Put something with ilok in the title and watch the world burn and you are absolutely aware of that. Don't you have your own "Wagtunes Corner" (sad enough) for nonsense like that? Or couldn't you post it in one of the 1000 existing threads? Don't get what you tried to achieve with that...wagtunes wrote:Again, the point of the thread is just to empathize with those who hate iLok. I can understand why.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21190 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
@ghetto
Okay, never heard of Ircam Verb 3 so I just listened to a brief demo.
Very impressive. Yep, don't have any reverbs that can do what it does. That morph feature is particularly impressive. And I would suppose that, for somebody who absolutely needed to do creative reverb processing such as starting a piano solo with a room verb and then have it morph into a hall with a big orchestra joining in, yeah, that could be really handy. I'm sure even I, as little talent as I have, could think of creative uses for it.
But at the end of the day, it's just a reverb. There are other reverbs out there with good and even excellent sounding impulses. So unless Verb 3 was dirt cheap (it's not even close to that at over 600 euros) I just don't need it. In fact, I'd have to have my head examined to spend THAT much on a reverb for what I use reverbs for.
So yeah, unless you're an industry professional and your livelihood depends on this stuff, I can't see the average hobbyist spending 600 euro on a reverb.
And I have no doubt that there's other high end products out there that also cost a lot of money that use iLok as well. So yeah, for those people who absolutely demand products that are not the norm, ironically, those are probably your only options.
Wonderful. So you've probably addressed 5% of the population that doesn't do this just for kicks. For the other 95%, yeah, they can definitely live without Verb 3 and iLok. I spent $99 each on Valhalla's Plate and Reverb and they are more than good enough for me and I'm sure the other 95% or a similar product, which is probably part of the reason Verb 3 is so expensive. I'm going to guess that the number of units sold yearly isn't even close to the number of units sold yearly of Valhalla's stuff. Just like not as many people buy a Lexus as they do a Hyundai.
As far as my not being qualified to even comment on this stuff, please, no need to point out the obvious as we all know what a no talent hack I am.
But guess what? There are more of me in the world than there are of you and your other professional colleagues.
Trust me. We DON'T need iLok.
PS - For the record, I have 42 iLok licenses.
Okay, never heard of Ircam Verb 3 so I just listened to a brief demo.
Very impressive. Yep, don't have any reverbs that can do what it does. That morph feature is particularly impressive. And I would suppose that, for somebody who absolutely needed to do creative reverb processing such as starting a piano solo with a room verb and then have it morph into a hall with a big orchestra joining in, yeah, that could be really handy. I'm sure even I, as little talent as I have, could think of creative uses for it.
But at the end of the day, it's just a reverb. There are other reverbs out there with good and even excellent sounding impulses. So unless Verb 3 was dirt cheap (it's not even close to that at over 600 euros) I just don't need it. In fact, I'd have to have my head examined to spend THAT much on a reverb for what I use reverbs for.
So yeah, unless you're an industry professional and your livelihood depends on this stuff, I can't see the average hobbyist spending 600 euro on a reverb.
And I have no doubt that there's other high end products out there that also cost a lot of money that use iLok as well. So yeah, for those people who absolutely demand products that are not the norm, ironically, those are probably your only options.
Wonderful. So you've probably addressed 5% of the population that doesn't do this just for kicks. For the other 95%, yeah, they can definitely live without Verb 3 and iLok. I spent $99 each on Valhalla's Plate and Reverb and they are more than good enough for me and I'm sure the other 95% or a similar product, which is probably part of the reason Verb 3 is so expensive. I'm going to guess that the number of units sold yearly isn't even close to the number of units sold yearly of Valhalla's stuff. Just like not as many people buy a Lexus as they do a Hyundai.
As far as my not being qualified to even comment on this stuff, please, no need to point out the obvious as we all know what a no talent hack I am.
But guess what? There are more of me in the world than there are of you and your other professional colleagues.
Trust me. We DON'T need iLok.
PS - For the record, I have 42 iLok licenses.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21190 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
There's only one thing "sad" around here and it sure isn't me.Soundplex wrote:No the point of this thread is again whoring for attention. Put something with ilok in the title and watch the world burn and you are absolutely aware of that. Don't you have your own "Wagtunes Corner" (sad enough) for nonsense like that? Or couldn't you post it in one of the 1000 existing threads? Don't get what you tried to achieve with that...wagtunes wrote:Again, the point of the thread is just to empathize with those who hate iLok. I can understand why.
- KVRAF
- 4740 posts since 25 Jan, 2014 from The End of The World as We Knowit
This thread should not be in the "Instruments" Forum.
It should be in "Computer Setup and System Configuration."
Or create a separate Forum for "System Maintenance."
It seems that some users could learn how to keep their iLok current, update their OS, diagnose compatibility issues, read crash reports, use iLok drag & drop authorization, easily transfer licenses to new computers, cleanup old System files, and so on.
Some of us are into that stuff, know some good diagnostic tools, and can help users who have legitimate questions (not attention whores)
It should be in "Computer Setup and System Configuration."
Or create a separate Forum for "System Maintenance."
It seems that some users could learn how to keep their iLok current, update their OS, diagnose compatibility issues, read crash reports, use iLok drag & drop authorization, easily transfer licenses to new computers, cleanup old System files, and so on.
Some of us are into that stuff, know some good diagnostic tools, and can help users who have legitimate questions (not attention whores)
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