Robotopia
- KVRAF
- 7691 posts since 11 Jun, 2006
lets just call it "electro-swing" timing issues justified
HW SYNTHS [KORG T2EX - AKAI AX80 - YAMAHA SY77 - ENSONIQ VFX]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
HW MODULES [OBi M1000 - ROLAND MKS-50 - ROLAND JV880 - KURZ 1000PX]
SW [CHARLATAN - OBXD - OXE - ELEKTRO - MICROTERA - M1 - SURGE - RMiV]
DAW [ENERGY XT2/1U RACK WINXP / MAUDIO 1010LT PCI]
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 884 posts since 3 Jan, 2016
Thanks much John. I seem to fight the strict timing of those rythmn patches. I always want to push it a bit I guess.Allomerus wrote:Sounds very cool Phil.
Enjoying the synths, and the harmonic shifts...
Drums sound great too! I like the offbeatedness of them.
Trumpets are good too!
Well done!
Cheers,
John
Phil
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- KVRist
- 299 posts since 13 Dec, 2015
Made my day and I'm really really jealous cos of your smooth arps, really!
Being a drummer I say, the bass don't start at the right point of beat (1:06 I mean thet enter), but maybe I'm wrong. Also the pattern itself sounds accidently offbeat, but maybe you planned it like that. Hard to follow, cos I just have the arp as orientation.
Being a drummer I say, the bass don't start at the right point of beat (1:06 I mean thet enter), but maybe I'm wrong. Also the pattern itself sounds accidently offbeat, but maybe you planned it like that. Hard to follow, cos I just have the arp as orientation.
- KVRAF
- 11501 posts since 13 Mar, 2009 from UK
I've just played the revised version, and I think I preferred it to the original version, but maybe for the wrong reason. I think I was probably trying too hard to make "rhythmic sense" of the original by imposing my own expectation of how that should work. Now, listening to the earlier version again, I don't really mind that the rhythm patch seems a little "off".fastlanephil wrote:Glad you enjoyed this seismic.seismic1 wrote:Overall, I enjoyed this. The synths worked well together and I liked the brass sounds when they joined in. Like layzer, I had a few problems getting my head around the timing. It sounded a little "off", although I'm not yet sure how much of an issue that was for me.
Good work
I think electronic musicians or electronic music listeners brains kind of get rewired and resensitized about timing. That was a hurtle for me as I developed a real liking for the genre and the also the unnatural sounds. Most people of my generation find it pretty alien as something they would actually enjoy listening to. Not just as an occasional soundtrack that they are not actually listening to.
I’m not making excuses for the off beat but just making an observation.
Sometimes when I've put tracks together in the past using multiple arps and percussion, I have soloed different pairs of arps or each arp with the rhythm track and it can sound quite tight, but all of the elements together can occasionally sound quite disruptive. As long as the disruption is reasonable and/or interesting, I'll leave it alone.
Phil Collins "This Must Be Love" is a simple but great example of a rhythmic masterpiece. If I focus on the percussion during the intro, I can completely lose track of the funky groove that the bass guitar adds and the song almost takes on a Prog-rock character. It took me few years to work that out, probably 'cos I approached it coming from a Prog/Genesis background. It was still enjoyable, but I now realise that it is actually two songs for the price of one.
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srv-musikmaker srv-musikmaker https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=294842
- KVRian
- 686 posts since 23 Dec, 2012
I find the overall elements quite interesting. The off beat rhythm is what sets your song apart. It is like the coordinated march of a robot army (which is cool). But instead of letting it stop completely at around the 1:49 mark, you might consider keeping it going (maybe at a slightly lower volume). At a certain point, this 'marching' can get chaotically loud and fade off gradually. Just some ideas
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 884 posts since 3 Jan, 2016
CrubaCruba wrote:Made my day and I'm really really jealous cos of your smooth arps, really!
Being a drummer I say, the bass don't start at the right point of beat (1:06 I mean thet enter), but maybe I'm wrong. Also the pattern itself sounds accidently offbeat, but maybe you planned it like that. Hard to follow, cos I just have the arp as orientation.
Yeah, I screwed around with that spot at 1:06, trying to sync it up better. I’m always fighting those strict tempo rythmn patches. I play most everything in first with my keyboard in free time and have melodies and such playing in my head at the same time.
- KVRAF
- 6322 posts since 18 Jul, 2008 from New York
Listening to Rev 1. The arp does not seem to be tempo sync'ed. It actually makes me dizzy.
Sounds and composition are fantastic but I can't get over these tempo issues. Oh well.
Sounds and composition are fantastic but I can't get over these tempo issues. Oh well.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 884 posts since 3 Jan, 2016
Thanks for the comments and ideas srv-musikmaker.srv-musikmaker wrote:I find the overall elements quite interesting. The off beat rhythm is what sets your song apart. It is like the coordinated march of a robot army (which is cool). But instead of letting it stop completely at around the 1:49 mark, you might consider keeping it going (maybe at a slightly lower volume). At a certain point, this 'marching' can get chaotically loud and fade off gradually. Just some ideas
I might have a go at it.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 884 posts since 3 Jan, 2016
I isolated that patch and with other rythmns and it actually does sync up but has an odd pattern.Frantz wrote:Listening to Rev 1. The arp does not seem to be tempo sync'ed. It actually makes me dizzy.
Sounds and composition are fantastic but I can't get over these tempo issues. Oh well.
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- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 884 posts since 3 Jan, 2016
The Phil Collins song has an interesting rythmn structure. It sounds pretty Caribbean at the intro and then becomes a back rhythm.seismic1 wrote:I've just played the revised version, and I think I preferred it to the original version, but maybe for the wrong reason. I think I was probably trying too hard to make "rhythmic sense" of the original by imposing my own expectation of how that should work. Now, listening to the earlier version again, I don't really mind that the rhythm patch seems a little "off".fastlanephil wrote:Glad you enjoyed this seismic.seismic1 wrote:Overall, I enjoyed this. The synths worked well together and I liked the brass sounds when they joined in. Like layzer, I had a few problems getting my head around the timing. It sounded a little "off", although I'm not yet sure how much of an issue that was for me.
Good work
I think electronic musicians or electronic music listeners brains kind of get rewired and resensitized about timing. That was a hurtle for me as I developed a real liking for the genre and the also the unnatural sounds. Most people of my generation find it pretty alien as something they would actually enjoy listening to. Not just as an occasional soundtrack that they are not actually listening to.
I’m not making excuses for the off beat but just making an observation.
Sometimes when I've put tracks together in the past using multiple arps and percussion, I have soloed different pairs of arps or each arp with the rhythm track and it can sound quite tight, but all of the elements together can occasionally sound quite disruptive. As long as the disruption is reasonable and/or interesting, I'll leave it alone.
Phil Collins "This Must Be Love" is a simple but great example of a rhythmic masterpiece. If I focus on the percussion during the intro, I can completely lose track of the funky groove that the bass guitar adds and the song almost takes on a Prog-rock character. It took me few years to work that out, probably 'cos I approached it coming from a Prog/Genesis background. It was still enjoyable, but I now realise that it is actually two songs for the price of one.
- KVRAF
- 1626 posts since 28 Oct, 2005 from Finland
Just listened the Robotopia Rev 1
Nice soundscape and interesting composition.
I liked the ambiance and sounds
Nice soundscape and interesting composition.
I liked the ambiance and sounds
- KVRAF
- 21195 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I've decided to start a new numerical feedback system so that members can get a more qualitative view of their work, albeit in a subjective manner.fastlanephil wrote:Electronic patches,trumpets and strings. New Version Below.
https://soundcloud.com/fastlanephil/robotopia
I will be grading on 4 categories on a 1-10 scale
1. Music (Melody, harmony, etc.)
2. Instrumentation (Synths used, Sound FX, etc.)
3. Mix (EQ, Compression, FX, Panning, etc.)
4. Performance (How well I thought you played whether live playing or EDM quantization where there is no actual live playing or both)
Music - 8
Instrumentation - 8
Mix - 9
Performance - 8
Overall Score - 8.25
Comments: Well done. I liked it.
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fluffy_little_something fluffy_little_something https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=281847
- Banned
- 12880 posts since 5 Jun, 2012
I like the first 1:06