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jancivil
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15092 posts since 20 Oct, 2007, from No Location
sjm wrote:I am the 1%!

Elitist! :x


thanks for saying so
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ChamMusic
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jancivil wrote:'this is the handshake between Varèse and Zappa'


Great phrase! Yes, I can hear that!

Damn, wish you hadn't mentioned Zappa...I've got this sudden , irresistible urge to listen to Conehead! Why that particular, f###### song, I do not know...it's in my head as I type and I haven't heard it for decades!
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jancivil
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There is a version up at Youtube where he does it with the '78 band and solos with the rescued Hendrix strat (burned at Miami iirc)...
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jancivil
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Oh, and thank you, Frantz.
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jancivil
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Jace-BeOS wrote:
jancivil wrote:I do not consider myself as at the front of any 'guard' [...]

That being said, I do consider what I'm doing as 21st century music, and not 20th c.


Duly noted. I'm not a fan of strongly categorizing music but "avant-garde" was one of the few I grasped the concept of, and I saw someone else suggest that genre in reference to your piece here.

Such terms are suitable for the person that has to put records in labeled bins at the record store. Teh "avant-garde" bin is a bit of a ghetto. :(
But one may find themselves in such good company there anyway. :)
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ChamMusic
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jancivil wrote:There is a version up at Youtube where he does it with the '78 band and solos with the rescued Hendrix strat (burned at Miami iirc)...


Just had a look / listen...forgotten what a good live band they were.
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jancivil
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whenever he gets that Strat out, it's eerie. He seems like he finds it dangerous. Drenched uncharacteristically in reverb helping the effect. But clearly HEAVY VIBES, such strong vibrations off that axe.
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jancivil
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jancivil
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ChamMusic wrote:At times, the jazz-influenced elements took me back to moments in this:
[Mingus, Ysabel's Table Dance.

I guess you mean the contrast where it breaks into swing from something that doesn't.
I think the last time someone said 'reminds of Mingus' (I've actually heard little of Mingus, maybe reading about the guy scared me off. I spent a lot of time in bookstores though I won't say why.) was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FK-RZWgwJk
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ChamMusic
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jancivil wrote:
ChamMusic wrote:At times, the jazz-influenced elements took me back to moments in this:
[Mingus, Ysabel's Table Dance.

I guess you mean the contrast where it breaks into swing from something that doesn't.
I think the last time someone said 'reminds of Mingus' (I've actually heard little of Mingus, maybe reading about the guy scared me off. I spent a lot of time in bookstores though I won't say why.) was:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1FK-RZWgwJk


Haven't actually read a lot about him..just know that he had a fearsome reputation for flying off the handle and sometimes getting seriously angry.

I've always loved the feeling of freedom and energy in a lot of his recordings - that sense, (even if sometimes false), of collective improvisation...sort of New Orleans style in essence with additional depth from the disparate influences that are clearly there so often - Blues, Bop, Gospel, Swing Band,third stream fusions, free jazz etc.
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wagtunes
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OMG, that is right out of 1960s B Spy Movie Intro Credits. I don't know if you've ever done soundtrack work but if not, you'd be a natural at it. You've got that sound absolutely nailed.

This one really took me back to my childhood watching those really badly acted movies.

** EDIT ** Referring to first track in thread.
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jancivil
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That's because practically every composer working at that time (before rock music and so forth had any entry to soundtracks really) was working out of the playbook of Varèse and the Second Viennese School (Schoenberg et al; Schoenberg was teaching at USC or something and this was the factory). For instance I was binge-watching The Virginian when I was in the convalescent hospital on this one cowboy channel and the underscore was totally Zappa out of Varèse. It was kind of hilarious because it was there to create a kind of aberrant psychology profile for the bad guys and the shit they pulled, but having no relation to the mise en scene.

Thanks for checking it out and comments.
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wagtunes
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jancivil wrote:That's because practically every composer working at that time (before rock music and so forth had any entry to soundtracks really) was working out of the playbook of Varèse and the Second Viennese School (Schoenberg et al). For instance I was binge-watching The Virginian when I was in the convalescent hospital on this one cowboy channel and the underscore was totally Zappa out of Varèse. It was kind of hilarious because it was there to create a kind of aberrant psychology profile for the bad guys and the shit they pulled, but having no relation to the mise en scene.

Thanks for checking it out and comments.


Thanks for the education. I learned something today. But yeah, I picked out that "sound" right away. Really took me back to my childhood.
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jancivil
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Interesting such a different perspective. I didn't have anything in mind except certain tendencies of Varèse overlaying my exploration of a couple of features in Reaktor Skanner, which was an improvisation. And surprising developments (the final section) were possible even with the hard limitation of keeping the fundamental layer.

This is my prevalent modi operandi, I work linearly and make it up on the spot off of an improvised, or at least a very quick, get in and get out of there basic shape, beginning and end not in question and usually it grows from the middle ("Insert Bars"); while I 'write' parts. I said most of this already I think but it's a long slog through the stupid thread.
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