cturner wrote:I'd appreciate it if, when switching from "preset" bias curves to "custom," that the "preset" settings would be set in the "custom" display as a starting point for further tweaking.
zynaptiq wrote:noiseboyuk wrote:I think inherently it will be less interesting to those who like to get forensic with mixes and masters and have the skillset to go with it, and more appealing to those who either need stuff done in a hurry or lack specialist knowledge / experience.
Yes! and.. No!
zynaptiq wrote:I do agree that for people who actually want to use a variety of tools – including their "secret weapon" and their "secret sauce recipe" - anything automatic, regardless of how good it works, will be something they will be less interested in, or highly skeptical of, for a variety of reasons. I get that, fair enough.
(For that clientele: try it with low amount of intensity, maybe 10%, and use the saturate without any extra gain, maybe even lowering it – gives a nice little "magic touch" as one part of the chain).
The self-driving car analogy is a great one, too – some people enjoy maintaining, tuning, and driving their car, some see it as a vehicle and want to get from A to B as efficiently and safely as possible.
In my personal experience though, that preference doesn't correlate with experience or skill level. It's more a question of preference or personality. I know some top end producers/engineers that don't really know or care what the buttons on that UREI thing are supposed to do but they DO know that it'll sound right on a particular sound when they press all of them (so they'll just leave them pressed and hard-wire that box to the channel that always has that particular type of sound playing) – and then go and mix a record that goes platinum and sounds like you wouldn't believe.
Then, of course, there's the opposite where someone thinks he knows-it-all and gets totally upset and disrespectful about any deviation from his "truth"...but has never released even one commercial record.
That's obviously anecdotal and simplified, but it does serve as reasoning for "no correlation between skill and whether one is interested in the journey or reaching the destination" IMHO
appealing to those who either need stuff done in a hurry or lack specialist knowledge
YES, it is great for a quick fix – and nowadays there's nearly never any time for anything as budgets shrink on an hourly basis – and YES, it is also a great way to get results even if you do NOT have a lot of specialized skills.
BUT NO, not JUST in those cases. It's also great if you have time and skill (and top end gear). It's great at the high end stuff, and can make good stuff great.
The thing is actually quite DOPE when you add 5% of intensity and maybe half a dB of saturation. We have some mastering engineers that we involve in some of our field testing and one of them commented "Aw MAN, cut it OUT will ya, I want to keep my **** job !" when he heard INTENSITY.
That said – if a track is already extremely loud and full-bandwidth – which means it's technically approaching white noise! – then there are clear limits to what INTENSITY can do. Which is kinda logical as there's pretty much nothing that can still do a lot in that kind of scenario. Which is why your friendly local mastering engineer will tell you to bring him the unprocessed 2-track.
For example, Skrillex or AVICII or AfroJack etc there really isn't a lot to be gained from adding INTENSITY on top.
zynaptiq wrote:Caine123 wrote:denis can you guys please make ONE installer where you can choose 32 bit and 64 bit instead of running 2 installers?
We do have that on our wish-list, absolutely (and especially for the ZAP II bundle it'd be great to have one installer for everything). However as trivial as it sounds it's quite a headache mixing bit depths in one context in Windows.
Actually, medium term, we'd love to do a "Zynaptiq stuff manager" that can install plugins, get updates, manage licenses, file support tickets, and manage newsletter subscriptions etc. Would be MUCH easier for the user now that we have quite a bunch of plugins in a bunch of formats and bit depths and binary versions etc. Launch app, click on the "get latest stuff for all of these", done. Or Click "download and install all the things I own". It's not trivial though, companies that have that sort of stuff typically dedicate a department of developers to that that is bigger than our entire team
noiseboyuk wrote: ... To that end, I'd definitely be in favour of real volume compensation monitoring. Obviously that has to occur at the end of the signal chain and really shouldn't be too hard. Just average loudness measure bypassed and non-bypassed, and compensate the non-bypassed accordingly. This should be understood as a monitoring feature for quick A/Bing. I don't know how it works in Ozone, but it really does there - do whatever they do!
rrichard63 wrote:noiseboyuk wrote: ... To that end, I'd definitely be in favour of real volume compensation monitoring. Obviously that has to occur at the end of the signal chain and really shouldn't be too hard. Just average loudness measure bypassed and non-bypassed, and compensate the non-bypassed accordingly. This should be understood as a monitoring feature for quick A/Bing. I don't know how it works in Ozone, but it really does there - do whatever they do!
There are some plugins available that help a lot with this. Three that I have played with are Nugen MasterCheck, Meter Plugs Perception and HOFA 4U+ Blind Test. There's a free version of the HOFA product that works fine.
zynaptiq wrote:Very cool of you to be so helpful
Actually, we're working on a subsystem for the custom sliders. Here's a list of what stuff we've noted from user feedback (as well as our own) that we consider our "top wishlist":
- Switchable range for INTENSITY and GAIN
- Switchable knee for SATURATE
- More presets, including of the subtle variety
- Method to copy a preset bias curve to the CUSTOM sliders as starting point
- Input trim
- Loudness/Level Compensation improvements
RE: plugin manager: we don't have any personal preferences there. We're simply reacting on user requests, we've had users ask for
- an "account" where they can manage licenses
- get personalized upgrade paths
- have updates pointed out to them based on what they have specifically
- get all their installers in one place
For *us* there's nothing specific to be gained EXCEPT for our users to be happier. Which would hold value.
If it turns out that the majority of users would NOT be happier...there'd be no value. Very simple
The size of the Windows SUBSPACE installer is mainly down to PACE installers and C++ redistributables being in the package, which only actually be installed if not already present. Plus, it's a WHOLE bunch of binaries if you count the 32/64, VST2, VST3, AAX, RTAS etc variants.