Yeah, that's solid advice. Never buy anything because you think it may be the thing that finally gets your workflow/sound where you want it to be. Only buy stuff if you have a specific purpose for it in mind. You can't solve problems you don't know.voidhead23 wrote:My one suggestion: don't buy anything during periods of inactivity. If you're in the swing of making music, and there's something you hear that would sound great in what you're making, buy it. If you're still sorting out what your next direction or sound is going to be and you're still demo'ing your own process...that's a terrible time to buy anything. That's how i ended up with most of my synth plugins.Michael L wrote:To reduce regrets, I wonder if it would be good to share methods for demoing synths -- or if everyone is totally different in that area, too?
Synths you regret buying
- KVRian
- 642 posts since 22 Jun, 2018
- KVRist
- 338 posts since 27 Jul, 2004 from Outer Bongolia
I’m really tired of your condescending pomposity. BTW, I heard your demos and you should consider a career as an accountant.wagtunes wrote:So again, please read what I said. I said demo it and hate it and buy it. Not demo it, like and then grow to hate it. They are not the same thing.Ed A. wrote:Because I grew to hate it as I used it. My contempt for it wasn't apparent in the beginning. You make it sound like my hobby is wasting money.wagtunes wrote:Oh yeah, absolutely. I'll never in a million years understand how somebody can demo something, hate it and buy it anyway.Examigan wrote:Ok, but for someone like Ed A.: "I think it has a horrific GUI, the sound is quite boring IMO"
...don't buy the full version if you demo'ed it.
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- KVRAF
- 21196 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
And I'm tired of people accusing me of saying things I didn't say.Ed A. wrote:I’m really tired of your condescending pomposity.wagtunes wrote:So again, please read what I said. I said demo it and hate it and buy it. Not demo it, like and then grow to hate it. They are not the same thing.Ed A. wrote:Because I grew to hate it as I used it. My contempt for it wasn't apparent in the beginning. You make it sound like my hobby is wasting money.wagtunes wrote:Oh yeah, absolutely. I'll never in a million years understand how somebody can demo something, hate it and buy it anyway.Examigan wrote:Ok, but for someone like Ed A.: "I think it has a horrific GUI, the sound is quite boring IMO"
...don't buy the full version if you demo'ed it.
The door swings both ways my friend.
- KVRAF
- 6980 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
POPCORN!wagtunes wrote:And I'm tired of people accusing me of saying things I didn't say.Ed A. wrote:I’m really tired of your condescending pomposity.wagtunes wrote:So again, please read what I said. I said demo it and hate it and buy it. Not demo it, like and then grow to hate it. They are not the same thing.Ed A. wrote:Because I grew to hate it as I used it. My contempt for it wasn't apparent in the beginning. You make it sound like my hobby is wasting money.wagtunes wrote:Oh yeah, absolutely. I'll never in a million years understand how somebody can demo something, hate it and buy it anyway.Examigan wrote:Ok, but for someone like Ed A.: "I think it has a horrific GUI, the sound is quite boring IMO"
...don't buy the full version if you demo'ed it.
The door swings both ways my friend.
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
- KVRAF
- 14989 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
Wusik Station...well the upgrade. I bought an old version on some group buy and paid almost nothing for it, but later caved in one of his countless unfinished upgrades that was nearly instantly superseded by a new version. Never again. It’s always buggy and unremarkable.
Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
All Virsyn plugins. They’re good when they’re working, but more often than not, I’ll find they they just don’t work for some reason. Then I spend my precious little time trying to figure out why they stopped working or are no longer authorized or whatever. I never get emails from them informing me that there are new versions, but they love to tell me what’s on sale. They never seem to do proper updates or upgrades on anything. I’ll never buy from them again. Not worth it.
Everything else I feel like I got my money’s worth out of or I still use. I’m not going to grouse about a plugin that I paid $49 for that I used for a few weeks and then lost interest in. To me that’s worth it for entertainment. I’ll often just find playing with a new plugin fun, even if I don’t really end up making it a mainstay of my productions. I’ll often go back and look at a plugin that I’ve not used in a long time and rekindle that magic. I recently did this with FM8. I’d sort of discarded it, but now it’s back in use.
Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
All Virsyn plugins. They’re good when they’re working, but more often than not, I’ll find they they just don’t work for some reason. Then I spend my precious little time trying to figure out why they stopped working or are no longer authorized or whatever. I never get emails from them informing me that there are new versions, but they love to tell me what’s on sale. They never seem to do proper updates or upgrades on anything. I’ll never buy from them again. Not worth it.
Everything else I feel like I got my money’s worth out of or I still use. I’m not going to grouse about a plugin that I paid $49 for that I used for a few weeks and then lost interest in. To me that’s worth it for entertainment. I’ll often just find playing with a new plugin fun, even if I don’t really end up making it a mainstay of my productions. I’ll often go back and look at a plugin that I’ve not used in a long time and rekindle that magic. I recently did this with FM8. I’d sort of discarded it, but now it’s back in use.
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- KVRAF
- 2351 posts since 15 Feb, 2006 from Berkeley, CA
- Banned
- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
Lol seriously? Btw, isnt Wayoutware a part of SONIVOX ? Maybe they could update it.zerocrossing wrote:Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
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- KVRAF
- 6980 posts since 28 Dec, 2015 from Atlantis Island
Dream on!Halonmusic wrote:Lol seriously? Btw, isnt Wayoutware a part of SONIVOX ? Maybe they could update it.zerocrossing wrote:Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
https://sonograyn.bandcamp.com/music Experimental Ambient
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
https://martinjuenke.bandcamp.com/music Alternative Instrumental
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- KVRian
- 969 posts since 6 Jul, 2009
Hmm, regret is too strong a word, at least for my experiences (with the exception of Tassman 4, that's a disappointment). There have been a few that were discontinued, so that was disappointing. But there were some I grew out of or that turned out to be less interesting than I thought they'd be. I can't remember them all, but the standouts are...
Discontinued:
Discontinued:
- Camel Audio Alchemy. I'm on Windows, not switching to Mac just for a Logic exclusive plugin, as highly as I thought of it -- that said, it was my first "big boy" synth, so there's some nostalgia attached there.
- Linplug Spectral. I didn't think highly of Linplug's other plugins...so I was surprised that Spectral is/was a legitimate masterpiece. It may be one of the finest soft synths ever developed -- and it was also legitimately unique. The only feature request I had for it was MSEGs. I'm still able to use it fortunately, but who knows which Windows update could be the last.
- Scanned Synth Pro. I was interested in this because it is one of the extremely small number of synths that have been developed implementing Scanned Synthesis, which is mostly unexplored and development is otherwise limited to Csound. SSP itself is rather basic and I personally don't feel it gets to very interesting territory -- plus, I think other synths just have better audio quality. Perhaps Enzyme by the same company may be better, but I haven't bothered to demo it. I'm curious to see if anyone ever develops an interesting scanned synthesis instrument.
- Aalto. It seemed to get quite a buzz from a number of people. I bought, tried it, made a bunch of patches, lived with the synth for about a year...but honestly, I thought it sounds like sh*t and still do. I really don't get where its loyal following comes from.
- Banned
- 7624 posts since 13 Nov, 2015 from Norway
martinjuenke wrote:Dream on!Halonmusic wrote:Lol seriously? Btw, isnt Wayoutware a part of SONIVOX ? Maybe they could update it.zerocrossing wrote:Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
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- KVRAF
- 15517 posts since 13 Oct, 2009
LOL, maybe, probably not.Halonmusic wrote:Lol seriously? Btw, isnt Wayoutware a part of SONIVOX ? Maybe they could update it.zerocrossing wrote:Wayoutware Kickaxxe and timewARP. Great for their time, but then abandoned. I think timewARP still works, but Kickaxxe stopped a long time ago and his response was, “Oh yeah, it doesn’t work in modern operating systems.”
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- KVRist
- 84 posts since 21 Aug, 2007
Electrax2:
I absolutely hate the GUI.
The included presets are mediocre at best.
I can't sell it because I bought it from an authorized reseller.
I'm stuck with it so maybe I'll buy some sound packs one day. I actually like the sound that it produces but you have to find the right sound designers like Ocean Veau.
I absolutely hate the GUI.
The included presets are mediocre at best.
I can't sell it because I bought it from an authorized reseller.
I'm stuck with it so maybe I'll buy some sound packs one day. I actually like the sound that it produces but you have to find the right sound designers like Ocean Veau.
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- KVRist
- 164 posts since 18 Aug, 2014 from California, USA
Thing with these synth softwares... the designers are sometimes pretty good at showing off to you what their products can do, through all those skillfully made Demo Songs and detailed display of the products features.
You hear those demo songs, and you could "feel yourself right there"! So you start planning on buying them. After you buy them, if you ever did, you realize it takes some expertise and knowledge of the programs to make them work for you! You may end up kicking them to the shelf to gather dust, or resell them for cheap. Meanwhile you wait for the next big one that "really works" for you!!
So you see my friends, we have no one to blame but ourselves. I think the less we buy, the better we become at using those that we already have.
Just make sure you REALLY love the sound, timbre, programming architecture and GUI layout design...and probably the name brand, if you care, and then buy a couple of them. After that, just have fun!
You hear those demo songs, and you could "feel yourself right there"! So you start planning on buying them. After you buy them, if you ever did, you realize it takes some expertise and knowledge of the programs to make them work for you! You may end up kicking them to the shelf to gather dust, or resell them for cheap. Meanwhile you wait for the next big one that "really works" for you!!
So you see my friends, we have no one to blame but ourselves. I think the less we buy, the better we become at using those that we already have.
Just make sure you REALLY love the sound, timbre, programming architecture and GUI layout design...and probably the name brand, if you care, and then buy a couple of them. After that, just have fun!
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- KVRist
- 424 posts since 28 Dec, 2017
Kurzweil PC3. Great synth, but I am so used to plastic synth keys I can not play with semi weighted. Still I love the sound so I can not sell it, but I would trade it for the unweighted.