Acknowledgement wrote:chk071 wrote:But, i'd agree that they're not stellar.
Not sure I'd agree. When it comes to pricing, I've learned that it doesn't mean much in plugin world. Klanghelm and TDR plugins are much cheaper than UAD plugins or some others, yet I prefer those over much more expensive alternatives more often than not.
Also, I had the chance to work with a wonderful, well-maintained EMT 140 several times and Valhalla Plate was the only plate plugin that came close to that sound. Just my 2¢
I don't buy it. UAD, Waves and Soundtoys can't model an EMT-140? Really? I mean I'm saying that there's good and there's stellar and you're going all the way to "the only plate plugin that came close?" So, a one man shop has the only plugin that comes close and multimillion dollar firms that hire many engineers that make well respected plate models, one of which is, itself, based on one of the most famous examples in recording history can't come close?
I think that's hyperbole.
Does Sean even have access to something like the Abbey Road studio's plates? I get that people want to support a small developer and I think that's admirable. But I think that you can talk about products in context without having to resort to hyperbole.
What does it say about SoundToys to say that "only Valhalla comes close to the EMT-140?" I doubt even that Sean would agree with you.
Again, Sean does good work and if I had come to reverb plugins through a different path I might have his. You cannot go wrong by starting with his products and then deciding if you need something else. However, as much as I respect him, I'm going to go out on a limb here and say that maybe IRCAM with their years of experience and multiple people working on sound research might have some knowledge and ability that he doesn't have and maybe that makes Verb3 worth more money and on a different level? On that same line, maybe Lexicon, Eventide, and TC-Electronic, the pioneers of this entire business and a source of inspiration for Sean and his products might have learned something that Sean doesn't know and maybe there's a reason people still like Lexicon's PCM series?
Finally, as I've already mentioned, they are not general reverb plugins AT ALL. You have three separate products, one is a plate, one is a vintage hardware (e.g., Lexicon) and one is a room verb. (I'm excluding shimmer here).
It's not an insult to say that a one man shop makes good plugins but if you want more that there are better products available. It is an insult to other devs to say that only brand X comes close. I'm pretty sure that the devs at SoundToys and Waves are just as serious and conscientious about the quality of their modeling efforts.