Am I not Compressing Enough?
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 776 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Hi guys,
So after producing more and more, as well as watching some more tutorials, I find that this thing gets very obvious now: I tend to use compressor way less often than others.
I am definitely not comparing myself with "compress everything," just talking about regular compressor use. Typically, I only use compressor in the following situations: 1) Transient shaping, which, however, is more often done by things like Transient Designer. 2) Glue things together, which mostly happens on some mix buses. 3) Pumping effect (although I tend to use LFO Tool more and more) 4) Adding colors, but I am more inclined to use other tools like tape or saturation device.
That's it. I know people say that compressor can help to control the volume and tame the music. But I work only on electronic music stuff, so there is hardly a problem about inconsistent volumes/performance. And in fact, whenever I compress something, especially synth lead, I feel like it actually losses some life and become less interesting. So most of the time, after eqing, I will be satisfied already.
And for the most tutorials I have watched, I found that after people add the compression, the result is either barely noticeable or subtle but I think I am good without it. However, all of these could be due to that I am fairly still a newbie and my ears are not experienced or sophisticated enough.
So I am wondering if there is any other important functions of a compressor that I am missing here and if I am really doing too little compression.
I really appreciate it if somebody can share some insights. Thank you in advance.
So after producing more and more, as well as watching some more tutorials, I find that this thing gets very obvious now: I tend to use compressor way less often than others.
I am definitely not comparing myself with "compress everything," just talking about regular compressor use. Typically, I only use compressor in the following situations: 1) Transient shaping, which, however, is more often done by things like Transient Designer. 2) Glue things together, which mostly happens on some mix buses. 3) Pumping effect (although I tend to use LFO Tool more and more) 4) Adding colors, but I am more inclined to use other tools like tape or saturation device.
That's it. I know people say that compressor can help to control the volume and tame the music. But I work only on electronic music stuff, so there is hardly a problem about inconsistent volumes/performance. And in fact, whenever I compress something, especially synth lead, I feel like it actually losses some life and become less interesting. So most of the time, after eqing, I will be satisfied already.
And for the most tutorials I have watched, I found that after people add the compression, the result is either barely noticeable or subtle but I think I am good without it. However, all of these could be due to that I am fairly still a newbie and my ears are not experienced or sophisticated enough.
So I am wondering if there is any other important functions of a compressor that I am missing here and if I am really doing too little compression.
I really appreciate it if somebody can share some insights. Thank you in advance.
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
If you're doing electronic music it's not like you have uneven performance or technique issues to smoother out. Most of it already sounds compressed.
If you're not using it on vocals though, then yes ypu're not using it enough.
If you're not using it on vocals though, then yes ypu're not using it enough.
- KVRAF
- 2110 posts since 5 Oct, 2015 from Swedish / Living in Hong Kong
I use a compressor to glue, leveling, increase attack, coloring, side chain or just shape the sound. Compressors can for example be a good tool if you want to reduce the sustain of a kick drum. I am not using compression on everything. In my opinion a compressor, or any other effects for that matter, should be used with a clear intent in mind. Certain compressors can also be useful for improving the stereo field by using mid/side compression. Parallel compression is a nice way to increase the transients and attack.
I never add any compressor unless I have a clear goal by doing so, and I often don't add any compressor at all for certain sounds. It doesn't mean that a mix is more or less professional depending on how often you use a compressor. If it sounds good then it sounds good
I never add any compressor unless I have a clear goal by doing so, and I often don't add any compressor at all for certain sounds. It doesn't mean that a mix is more or less professional depending on how often you use a compressor. If it sounds good then it sounds good
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- KVRAF
- 35098 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
If your tracks sound too quiet after applying compression, try raising the gain or the output volume of the compressor.
TBH I would advice not using any compression until you properly understand what its doing.
TBH I would advice not using any compression until you properly understand what its doing.
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- KVRAF
- 3186 posts since 18 Mar, 2008
You are perfectly fine and "right", next stage is golden ears GAS syndrome when small nuances become huge and every plugin is magical and adding up big time and you avoided really newbie stage when you don't know what you want or can even hear anything, but rely on opinion of famous endorsements and GAS driven golden ears forum individuals.hhuang9611 wrote:However, all of these could be due to that I am fairly still a newbie and my ears are not experienced or sophisticated enough.
This entire forum is wading through predictions, opinions, barely formed thoughts, drama, and whining. If you don't enjoy that, why are you here? ShawnG
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
And that's exactly why compressors are for! You're 100% correct in how you use them.hhuang9611 wrote:Hi guys,
I am definitely not comparing myself with "compress everything," just talking about regular compressor use. Typically, I only use compressor in the following situations: 1) Transient shaping, which, however, is more often done by things like Transient Designer. 2) Glue things together, which mostly happens on some mix buses. 3) Pumping effect (although I tend to use LFO Tool more and more) 4) Adding colors, but I am more inclined to use other tools like tape or saturation device.
Also correct. Often people take approach from Rock music where a lot of tracks/channels needs compression because bass notes are not played on even volume, vocal is too dynamic etc etc. and they're using same approach on channels in electronic music which doesn't have these issues. This lead to overcompression of sound and you should be glad that you can hear it! A lot of folks is deaf and they can put 10 compressors with ratio 100:1 and they will say that it sounds brilliant... "But in tutorial they said that I must compress" - it's the worst way of thinking in audio production.hhuang9611 wrote: That's it. I know people say that compressor can help to control the volume and tame the music. But I work only on electronic music stuff, so there is hardly a problem about inconsistent volumes/performance. And in fact, whenever I compress something, especially synth lead, I feel like it actually losses some life and become less interesting. So most of the time, after eqing, I will be satisfied already.
Compressors was made to unify sounds that are too dynamic and in busy mix some notes tend to disappear and others are too loud. In age of tape it was almost impossible to treat every single note separately with volume knob so compressors were unnecessary. They still are but for synth lead which have equal level all the time... no point to compress it to make it equal in volume. It's already is.
That's because (I'm guessing without seeing these videos) they use it for these subtle nuances, not to overcompress and it can be heard or sometimes more 'felt' than heard. You will get to that point. Does not necessary affect quality of production but may add a bit of additional spice.hhuang9611 wrote: And for the most tutorials I have watched, I found that after people add the compression, the result is either barely noticeable or subtle but I think I am good without it. However, all of these could be due to that I am fairly still a newbie and my ears are not experienced or sophisticated enough.
Doing too little compression is better than overdoing it Overcompressing is first sign of amateur producer.hhuang9611 wrote: So I am wondering if there is any other important functions of a compressor that I am missing here and if I am really doing too little compression.
I really appreciate it if somebody can share some insights. Thank you in advance.
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- KVRAF
- 1863 posts since 11 Apr, 2008
That's the post-amateur, pre-professional stage. Which may lead to being soft/hardware collector who's not doing music anymore, when you drive carelesslyZexila wrote:You are perfectly fine and "right", next stage is golden ears GAS syndrome when small nuances become huge and every plugin is magical and adding up big time and you avoided really newbie stage when you don't know what you want or can even hear anything, but rely on opinion of famous endorsements and GAS driven golden ears forum individuals.hhuang9611 wrote:However, all of these could be due to that I am fairly still a newbie and my ears are not experienced or sophisticated enough.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 776 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Well, I hardly have any vocal elements in my track, because I cannot sing and finding the sample with right key and phrase is too much of a work....badass_billy wrote:If you're not using it on vocals though, then yes ypu're not using it enough.
Yep, and that's why I use compressor less often than what I have seen others do. I just don't feel the need for compression. And I just want to make sure that I don't miss anything that can justify the use of a compressor (based on others comment on this thread, seems my current understanding is not bad.)ATN69 wrote:I never add any compressor unless I have a clear goal by doing so
Well, for me, volume isn't always an issue after compression. It's just feels like everything now sounds equally loud (the job compressor is supposed to do) and that's kind of boring.thecontrolcentre wrote:If your tracks sound too quiet after applying compression, try raising the gain or the output volume of the compressor.
emm... I am really looking forward to reaching that stageZexila wrote:You are perfectly fine and "right", next stage is golden ears GAS syndrome.
Thank you very much for the detailed comments. Glad to know that my understanding of compressor is not too bad.pixel85 wrote:...(awesome comments folded)
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- KVRAF
- 35098 posts since 27 Jul, 2005 from the wilds of wanny
I reckon you're hearing what's going on just fine in that case.hhuang9611 wrote:Well, for me, volume isn't always an issue after compression. It's just feels like everything now sounds equally loud (the job compressor is supposed to do) and that's kind of boring.thecontrolcentre wrote:If your tracks sound too quiet after applying compression, try raising the gain or the output volume of the compressor.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 776 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Yep, and that's what confuses me. I see no need for compression, but it seems others will add the compressor in the same case, so I am wondering if I don't understand compression correctly, or if there is some reason to use a compressor that I don't know. (But judging from others comments for now, I am not doing things very wrong)thecontrolcentre wrote:I reckon you're hearing what's going on just fine in that case.
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
If your music doesn't have vocals, and it's just a bunch of electronic stuff ... then it doesn't really need that kind of dynamic processing.
The purpose of a compressor is to condense the dynamic range. Usually for actual instruments, because humans have uneven volume in their performance of things. Your music probably already has limited dynamic range as it is.
I mean, it's highly unlikely that you played some of your midi notes too hard. Probably debatable as to whether it can even be called music, but that's a whole 'nother topic altogether.
The purpose of a compressor is to condense the dynamic range. Usually for actual instruments, because humans have uneven volume in their performance of things. Your music probably already has limited dynamic range as it is.
I mean, it's highly unlikely that you played some of your midi notes too hard. Probably debatable as to whether it can even be called music, but that's a whole 'nother topic altogether.
- KVRian
- Topic Starter
- 776 posts since 1 Mar, 2018 from USA
Wow...That is harsh.badass_billy wrote:Probably debatable as to whether it can even be called music, but that's a whole 'nother topic altogether.
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- KVRist
- 107 posts since 14 Jul, 2018
I'm just old-school like that. Fake instruments do nothing for me. Anyone can click buttons on a computer screen. Hit a real drum. Play a chord. Sing something. Then we can talk about things like compression.hhuang9611 wrote:Wow...That is harsh.badass_billy wrote:Probably debatable as to whether it can even be called music, but that's a whole 'nother topic altogether.