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recursive one · Post by **recursive one** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 3:53 pm

DJErmac wrote:
recursive one wrote:
DJErmac wrote: Imho, Massive, Sylenth1 and co are outdated as soon as you hear Avenger.
Not sure what "outdated" means but I still much prefer the sound of Sylenth and Massive to Avenger.
I mean that you need extra processing and/or layering to get the same sound as nowadays radio/commercial EDM sounds. With Avenger you get it straight away (yeah, what has been said is true, you can get it with other synths, but it needs extra work and sometimes it can't be made inside the synth, in Avenger it CAN). I don't know if they're all using Avenger or not, but if you use Avenger, you get their sound instantly.

No depreciative meaning intended : everybody is free to prefer the sound of every synth in the world (I loooooove Icarus but wouldn't recommend it for modern EDM). But if you're trying to clone nowadays mainstream EDM, Avenger is the way to go.

I know that some EDM producers you see on Youtube in tutorials still use Serum and Sylenth1 though, but they're not the ones you hear on the radio all around the world, most of the time they use cracked licences anyway, they represent strictly nothing.

Yes, I think you are right. I spoke any about my own preferences. I don't listen to modern EDM much, I prefer older trance/psytrance with fatter/warmer and less polished sound. But when I load Avenger demo I hear this "plastic" sound which I associate with current EDM. However modern sound-design is not only about EDM.

izonin wrote: They are Russian 100%. Just look up "reveal-sound.com" on who.is

Probably they are just trying to avoid issues with having a company registered in Russia.

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 4:04 pm

recursive one wrote:However modern sound-design is not only about EDM.

You're totally right, modern sound is not only about EDM, but as I'm into EDM, I'm only talking about what I've personnaly experienced and tried to reproduce. I'll let people talk about other genres they know.

Chapelle · Post by **Chapelle** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:14 pm

Nielzie · Post by **Nielzie** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 5:38 pm

A wavetable osc based synth with lots of waveforms, zero delay filter(s), extensive modulation matrix, FM capability, big unison, supersaw ready with a good amount of high quality onboard effects should be modern enough, I guess.

DJErmac · Post by **DJErmac** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:00 pm

Chapelle wrote: Not sure if I am missing something here, but one only gets the sound straight away when using the presets, and for presets I would just get Nexus instead, as it uses much less CPU.

Designing your own layered sounds doesn't take much less effort with Avenger than using multiple instances of other synths with additional processing in the DAW, or does it?

I don't have Nexus, but I'm convinced it's modern-music-ready from what I've heard, so I'm sure you're right.

Zexila · Post by **Zexila** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:15 pm

Spire too, some of the sound banks demo's sound as good as it gets, like listening to fully produced tracks, good sound designers that also make music, so they sculpt their sounds to be as ready as they can be and used in actual context, huge plus in my book.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:36 pm

recursive one wrote:
izonin wrote: They are Russian 100%. Just look up "reveal-sound.com" on who.is
Probably they are just trying to avoid issues with having a company registered in Russia.

Hm... i just saw that they're registered as a business in Czech Republic now. Before, they were registered in Belize, which i know for sure in Russia you can buy the citizenship, to avoid taxes. Let's just say their business side is one of the more shady stories in the plugin business.

Which is also a reason i was rather reluctant when they first released Spire. They did a great job after that, so, all good.

Zexila wrote:Spire too, some of the sound banks demo's sound as good as it gets, like listening to fully produced tracks, good sound designers that also make music, so they sculpt their sounds to be as ready as they can be and used in actual context, huge plus in my book.

Yep.

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 6:40 pm

Nielzie wrote:A wavetable osc based synth with lots of waveforms, zero delay filter(s), extensive modulation matrix, FM capability, big unison, supersaw ready with a good amount of high quality onboard effects should be modern enough, I guess.

Only synth i know which ticks most, or all of those boxes is Dune 2. If you happen to dig the sound.

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:18 pm

Can't all synths sound modern?

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:49 pm

IMO, no. Only the modern sounding ones.

Delta Sign · Post by **Delta Sign** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 7:54 pm

Once some popular EDM artist uses them, yes

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:29 pm

chk071 wrote:IMO, no. Only the modern sounding ones.

If so, name a few "outdated" synths that can't be used in modern music

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:35 pm

I wouldn't say they can't be used in modern music. I wouldn't say either that many of the "usual suspect" recommendation supersaw synths, which get proposed here frequently can't be used in the respective genres. Just that some synths rather lend themselves for use, because they're able to get to the point a lot quicker, and produce better results than others.

starflakeprj · Post by **starflakeprj** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:49 pm

So most synths CAN sound modern, but it just takes a little more time, and a few more "external" effects, and some layering maybe?

I'm surprised though that this thread hasn't yet turned to a "name all synths you know" thread

chk071 · Post by **chk071** » Mon Jul 23, 2018 8:51 pm

IMO, it has. Mostly because people don't seem to read the original post properly.

Softsynths with "modern" sound ?