Getting professionally mastered sound with freeware?

17972 posts · by **jens**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:42 am

ermi wrote:
Really? Well, in that case just take a host with no PDC, like Wavosaur for example, to master a track. Then use a VST with latency in the chain, like SIR for example. And then you'll see what I mean.

What would happen? The signal which comes out of the plugin which causes delay gets

*drum roll*

delayed.

But as mastering is usually applied to a single whole file (even if some of the mastering processes are automated) I fail see how that should affect your work...

...wait a moment...

...or do you perhaps sometimes use a mix of the dry and the wet signal? Becuase then - and only then - I realize where the problem would be.

17972 posts · by **jens**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 4:44 am

Antress wrote:maybe You can try this.

http://www.modernplugins.in-tw.com/

hm... do you really think so?

(I know you received a lot of praise, but then again half of kvr is deaf anyway :hihi:

)

*sound of door slamming, then car-engine starting*

872 posts · by **Pantsdown666**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:03 am

The answer, of course, is yes.
And just to throw in another good freeware limiter :
http://www.yohng.com/w1limit.html

881 posts · by **ermi**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:04 am

jens wrote:I fail see how that should affect your work...

Well, sometimes you have tracks that "continue" from the previous track, or just follow the same rhythm, and so you'd want them cut precisely, with no gaps or anything.

9121 posts · by **BertKoor**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:23 am

ermi wrote:
jens wrote:I fail see how that should affect your work...

Well, sometimes you have tracks that "continue" from the previous track, or just follow the same rhythm, and so you'd want them cut precisely, with no gaps or anything.

That's what cue sheets are for. During mastering it's still one big file...

297 posts · by **Antress**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:25 am

stevieb19 wrote:Shameless "Plug"

Wow, Thanks for Your blast.

Maybe in some respects a little acrimoniously, but I will reflect, Thanks again. :wink:

297 posts · by **Antress**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:30 am

jens wrote:
hm... do you really think so?

(I know you received a lot of praise, but then again half of kvr is deaf anyway )

*sound of door slamming, then car-engine starting*

I'm sure I don't deserve so much praise.

just in a theme, "Getting professionally mastered sound with freeware?", maybe My friends can try it.or get some learned

382 posts · by **stevieb19**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 5:34 am

Antress wrote:
stevieb19 wrote:Shameless "Plug"

Wow, Thanks for Your blast.

Maybe in some respects a little acrimoniously, but I will reflect, Thanks again.

It was not a blast or acrimonious it was a joke\sarcasm. Hense the "" around the plug

I actually love your plugs mate.

Obviously my Brit humour got lost in the translation somewhere.

1749 posts · by **birrbits**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 6:31 am

Compyfox wrote:The industry started all that crap that louder=better, analog emulation = the live of your music, overused exciters = essential for making a hit, multiband compressor on the master bus = standard for mastering, you don't use plugs for a couple of grands = you're no good engineer. That's just nonsense.....

I guess this is why engineering is still the hardest job in the music scene - you have to know more than just how to make the music "loud" with Izotope Ozone and the preset "smooth mastering". And if you know how to do it, you can pull it off with everything - even freeware.

This post should be stickied, well said.

1219 posts · by **kilroy**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:47 am

kevvvvv wrote:(how did golden-eared mastering engineers ever learn when they first started?)

By cocking stuff up with startling regularity...

:hihi:

3043 posts · by **Klemperer**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 8:52 am

jens wrote:
(I know you received a lot of praise, but then again half of kvr is deaf anyway )

Hugh? (looks with eyes wide open around, shocked) JENS? Hello?? Is there anybody in there?

:hihi:

3043 posts · by **Klemperer**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:00 am

laputa_sync wrote:
raja_hectic wrote:Oh...And mix with your ears and not with your eyes

quicker to use your hands. i find it difficult to move mouse with my ear. also found the faders uncomfortable. but im practising.

guys, those posts make my day :hihi:

640 posts · by **Mauvehead**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 9:09 am

I'll put in a plug for G-Vst plug-ins for mastering freeware. I actually like his stuff a lot better than T-Racks or Final Mix. Also, G-Vst also has a free (and awesome sounding) auto-tune plug-in. Good stuff.

I am also from the camp that says a good set of ears is worth more than any equipment roster. Hard work can get professional results regardless of what software or hardware is being used. Too many people assume that if they buy the "right tools" that they can compensate for lack of skill or craftsmanship. Give a pro engineer a bunch of freebie plugs and he will still get professional results. Give a novice every high-dollar tool under the sun and his recordings will still fall short. There is no substitute for hard work and ingenuity.

17972 posts · by **jens**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:02 am

Antress wrote:
I'm sure I don't deserve so much praise.

100% agreed!

But I really applaude your effort and bow before you. But I'd lie to you if I told you I think your plugins can cope with the best freeware plugins yet (even if I think they get better with every new one) - and I don't like to lie if it ain't absolutely neccessary. Also I think too much praise is respectless towards the one who is being praised.

17972 posts · by **jens**; Tue Jan 30, 2007 11:03 am

Klemperer wrote:
jens wrote:
(I know you received a lot of praise, but then again half of kvr is deaf anyway )

Hugh? (looks with eyes wide open around, shocked) JENS? Hello?? Is there anybody in there?