yeah I know what you mean - however I have noticed recently this is seems to be becoming less of an issue - with strong responses from Gearslutz on new reasonably priced plugins. I have a feeling this concept of 'expensive = better' may be diminishing in terms of software...Many people are fed up of Waves and dont want DSP solutions or iLoks...people are more hppy to look elsewhere?

If you look at the response the Rocket plug from StillWell got.....:

http://www.gearslutz.com/board/new-product-alert/327624-new- stillwell-comp-released-rocket.html

.. not to mention all the critical acclaim Voxengo has gathered over the years and his prices are still extremely fair. Even on Brad Blackwood's mastering forum, which are frequented by people who have access to the most amazing gear in the universe, they still talk about Voxengo and even some free plugins (mainly Spitfish as a de-esser).

Among TRUE professionals, price is never an issue.. be it ridiculously high or ridiculously low. The only thing that matters is if it will enhance your work in a matter that benefits your business in the end.

Cheers!
bManic

.. and these responses are very well deserved. The Rocket compressor is awesome. Period.

Cheers!
bManic

I guess I'm the only one who was rather underwhelmed by it. Mayby I should try it again.

Yeah, my bad, 0.2 S is the fastest time I was going for, but I will do one at 0.1 S to show you that it still holds up. I am having 0.2, 0.3, 0.4, 0.6, 0.8, 1.2, Auto as the release times, since this is the best compromise between various models.

Btw, you have picked an excellent example - slow attack, high ratio, fast release, kick heavy drums, this will bring out the worst in many compressors. I have loops like this, but if there is a particular one you have in mind please email it to 'info atsign cytomic dotsign com'. I actually would prefer to use a ratio of 10 to really push the compressor more. It is exactly these types of condition I have paid close attention to in my model, I like abusing and pushing equipment as much as possible and getting it to bend instead of break, 'cause that's where so much cool sound is.

All the best,

Andrew Simper

I think you've got some real attention now.

Shogger

keep going Andy!!!

I'm really looking forward to this.

cheers,

dw

Signing on. This looks promising.

Andy's Analog modeling is the best i have heard!!

i dont have this phantom comp though

but the stuff i have is
unless andy_cytomic is not andy_FX?

Subz

I can attest to that!

I've heard rumors of this secret compressor for a long while now, I'm really glad it will be available soon.

dw

Andy, so when do we see the Strobe thing to appear?

Ok here are a couple of sets of examples. All dry sounds are copyright FXpansion and are from BFD2 using one of the inbuilt midi grooves and have been put together by Gareth Green specifically for putting compressors through their paces (thanks Gareth!).

First up is the loud kick dry loop, then it being compressed with: Threshold -40 dB, Attack 30 ms, Ratio 10, Release 0.1 S and Range -60 dB, then the dry loop again, then all the same settings but the Range set to Full. The last one sounds way too squashed and flat for any practical use and is not realistic for circuits since they naturally run out of voltage at some point, but it does illustrate what can happen if you don't pay attention when doing analog models:
http://www.cytomic.com/AudioExamples/Acoustic/LoudKickAt30Ra 10Re01.mp3

Second set of examples is the same loud kick dry loop, then heavily processed using Threshold -40 dB, Attack 0.01 ms, Ratio 10, Release 0.3 S, Range -36 dB, Peak Clip On, Makeup of 22 dB, then the dry loop again, then the same settings as before but a Makeup of 32 dB, so an extra 10 dB. This pushes the attack transients into the Peak Clip, but keeps just makes the rest of the sound louder without distorting it (apart from the heavy compression). These are extreme setting deliberately pushing the compressor for effect.
http://www.cytomic.com/AudioExamples/Acoustic/LoudKickAt001R a10Re03.mp3

So, I hope that helps a bit. More examples are on the way, and if there are any particular "problem" loops I would really appreciate if you could please email them to 'info atsign cytomic dotsign com' and I will make examples out of them

All the best,

Andrew Simper
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It's me Subz, thanks for the big ups Same guy, Andrew Simper, Cytomic, FXpansion, Vellocet.

With regards analog modeling there are some people doing an excellent job out there, Antti Huovilainen and the guys at Universal Audio to name two.

http://www.cytomic.com/AudioExamples/LoudKickAt001Ra10Re03.m p3




almost as good as http://djsubject.googlepages.com/fusor2.mp3

just needs your comp on the drums

good luck with the new company!!

Subz
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Sounds pretty impressive indeed. Will need to try the demo once it's out.

Cheers!
bManic