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by bmanic; Thu Jan 22, 2009 1:54 pm
However, the phantom center and sound stage really do work in a subtle way. The most immediate thing I noticed, after tweaking it to my liking (65 or 70 degrees with center -2dB), was that I had an easier time hearing dynamic changes. Compressors and other subtle dynamic effects were easier to set. For instance, Bootsie's TesslaSE is easier to hear what it does when the Redline Monitor is on the masterbus.
This is very much like speakers. Dynamic changes are easier to hear so my guess is that it'll be tremendous help in setting volume levels of various sources. I also had much easier time using a mid/side eq and equalizing the stereo signal the way I wanted it.
I have not yet confirmed my initial impressions by doing comparisons in the studio but I will do so next week.
IMHO this is currently the best "fake speakers" thing on the market (I've tried all I've found) because of the way it seems to help one make correct decisions when it comes to dynamics. It does not sound at all like speakers in a room which is a GOOD thing, in my opinion.
EDIT: oh I forgot to mention that it seems to be critical of what headphones you use. I tried it now on my basic sony earbuds and had a very hard time hearing any change, then I tried it with AKG-271s and there was a noticeable change in the way I perceived dynamics and finally on the AKG K701's the difference was pretty big. So in short, the more accurate your headphones are (frequency and impulse response), the better this thing seems to perform.
by dj! (112dB); Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:46 am
K-Slash wrote:djex wrote:K-Slash wrote:Juts a question, not about Redline Monitor, but about the Redline Equalizer.
Does it adds harmonic content like analogue processors while boosting frequencies or does it work like all the "classic" software equalizers ?
The current beta version (which of course you don't have access too ) doesn't but there is a good chance such a feature will be added before the release.
Yeah, that's GREAT .
If it's included on the v1.0, I will for sure drop my money, if it sounds good .
By the way what will be the price range ?
A bit off-topic by now, but we haven't established pricing for it yet. Probably more expensive than Redline Monitor and cheaper than Morgana, but that's a "probably". Not very helpful, I know.
by Optomadic; Fri Jan 23, 2009 7:53 am
Now that its got 'my ear' I'm compelled to retest the distance with a much better pair of closed backs and even a set of in-ears (not buds) after. Be interesting to see how far the field can be extended ..
Excellent design on 112db's part. So far seems worth the price if you consider how much the hw equivalent would cost.
by dj! (112dB); Fri Jan 23, 2009 8:02 am
To be honest we mostly developed it on relatively high-end headphones with a Sony MDR-7506 being the cheapest pair. You wouldn't try mixing on a pair of $100 speakers either... right?
by Steelhead; Fri Jan 23, 2009 10:09 am
Just couple of questions.
1) What kind of headphones (close, (semi)open) is best to use with this plugin? I guess the answer will be "open" because they give that sense of "air" but I have only AKG 240S and cannot compare myself.
2) You said to had tested plugin with many different headphones. Any preferences among them for the best result achieved? Are there some HP characteristics (such as imaging, frequency response and so on) that are vital for good plugin work results?
BTW, distance control indeed is very subtle and has some strange phase problems. I've listened to several tracks and in cases of hard guitar panning to left and right there was effect similar to phase cancellation.
by megadeth; Fri Jan 23, 2009 11:40 am
About headphones, i think open ones are the best because you already get a little "ambiance" and phase cancellation like on HP
A second hand HD600 with headphone amp can do marvelous things
And always use the mono button to test phase cancellation
If bass is very good in mono with headphones, but got phase cancellation in real room...your room sucks
Phase cancellation is due to acoustic in this case
I don't speak about mix quality, just phase
If i was aware like i am now about my acoustic troubles like -12dB hole in the bass spectrum near 80Hz, i would have bought an HD600 with an amp
Unlike a lot of ppl think, a mix is better with tools like redline monitor with good headphones and amp than with good nearfield monitors and shitty room acoustic
Just try a slow 20 Hz - 200 Hz sweep at medium gain with free MDA TestTone in your room and if you hear some big holes and bumps : you're dead, your room sucks like mine
And if you want to cry more, listen to the same sweep with your headphones : near perfectly flat
That's what a lot of ppl don't understand : headphones are hard to master but they are a LOT flatter than the best speakers in a shitty room...and a lot cheaper if you consider buying nearfields AND treating your room
Do the above test and you will see if you got massive troubles with bass, the most sensitive part of the acoutic
And the only solutions are :
- changing to a better room
- Bass traps
I'm waiting to change my room,so i will stick to headphones and multiple listening environnements and supports
Another trick :
you can help the stereo field effect and bass response by placing them a little forward and lower of your ears
by benjamind; Fri Jan 23, 2009 1:02 pm
For checking bass, headphones are phenomenal for that job, but for the rest of the mix, nearfields are pretty much essential.
Sure, it's possible to mix on headphones. Beyerdynamic DT880 are good for that, as are AKG 701, but also consider Ultrasone Proline models, the Pro900 model is great for judging bass. These do bass better than most subwoofers.
by Zsolt; Fri Jan 23, 2009 2:37 pm
by Mushy Mushy; Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:12 pm
At first I didnt like it. The bass and lower mids seemed to dissapear.
But after switching it off I realised how muddy and boomy the bottom end was previously. Obviously a major contributor to the fatigue I use to experience.
Switched it back on and everything just seems so precise now...
And I can almost see the music dancing on my nose now.
My monitors will still be my main source of mixing obviously.
But now i'm more than happy to be working on headphones.
Now where's that credit card
by Eddie(Soulseekers); Fri Jan 23, 2009 3:43 pm
I'm assuming on since ARC is taking the room out of my mixes and I'm trying to get that same sound in my headphones is this correct?