Waldorf Largo + Blofeld: free + commercial patches

[Ingonator]

UPDATE: THIS THREAD IS CHANGED TO A GENERAL THREAD ABOUT LARGO + BLOFELD PATCHES. LOOK AT THE END OF PAGE 4 OF THIS THREAD : http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic ... 4&start=45

A collection of links for Waldorf Largo:

If you don't want to read the thread here are some Largo links:

http://rapidshare.com/files/319829225/I ... s_v1.2.fxb

http://rapidshare.com/files/319824154/I ... v1_3_1.fxb

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/downloads?relPath=largo

http://www.basslinerecords.com/products.htm

http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... ID=4905301

http://www.soundsdivine.com/largo.html

http://www.vsti-sounds.com/soundbanks.html

http://www.plughugger.com/waldorf-largo ... ander.html

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A collection of links for Waldorf Blofeld:

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/downloads?relPath=blofeld

http://www.waldorfmusic.de/en/downloads ... eld/Sounds

http://www.waldorfmusic-shop.de/epages/ ... ID=4905301

http://www.basslinerecords.com/products.htm

http://Synth.Stromeko.net/Downloads.html

http://lady.rdsor.ro/~kotro/index.php?m=soft

http://www.kvraudio.com/get/4468.html

http://www.softknobs.co.cc/content/blof ... r-080-beta

http://jemap.ifrance.com/

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=287845

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/98006/blofeld%20editor.zip

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4039534

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Hello,

i have the idea of recreating some patches of the PPG Wave 2.V on the Largo. The LE version of PPG Wave 2.V is contained in the Waldorf Edition LE which ships on the Largo CD (Additional content).
For the start i tried to find out some details about Largos Wavetables. I got some hints here: http://www.xs4all.nl/~hkwad/waldorf/wavetables.html
The names of the wavetables are identical to the names in Largo which means:

1.) Largos wavetables "Alt 1" and "Alt 2" correspond to the Waldorf Q's wavetables.

2.) Largos wavetables "Resonant" up to "Square HP" belong to the Microwave 2 / Microwave XT wavetables number 1 to 32.

3.) Largos wavetables "Resonant" up to "Micro PWM" plus "Upper Waves" belong to the PPG Wave 2.2/2.3 wavetables No. 0 to 29 + the PPG Upper Wavetable (No. 30).

Does anyone know if the other wavetables of Largo are new or also belong to the Microwave ??

[rob_lee]

Hi first pic shows one half of the wavetables and the other shows some more.you can figure out by the pics which ones are which.In total there are 72 waves
hope this helps.

rob

[Ingonator]

Hi first pic shows one half of the wavetables and the other shows some more.you can figure out by the pics which ones are which.In total there are 72 waves
hope this helps.

rob

Thanks Rob but this wasn't really the problem. I already desribed above which wavetables belong to the Microwave or the PPG. Just look at the names. I just wanted to know to which synth the wavetables after "Square HP" belong or if they are new.
I already programmed two of the PPG Wave 2.V factory sounds on the Largo. Sound quite similar to the original. More later.

[Ingonator]

Here is a detailed list of which wavetable number in the PPG Wave 2.V/PPG Wave 2.2 belong to which wavetable name in Largo:

PPG Nr. : Largo wavetable name
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00: Resonant
01: Resonant 2
02: Mallet Syn
03: Square-Sweep
04: Bellish
05: Pulse-Sweep
06: Saw-Sweep
07: Mellow Saw
08: Feedback
09: Add Harm
10: Reso 3 HP
11: Wind Syn
12: High Harm
13: Clipper
14: Organ Syn
15: Square Saw
16: Formant 1
17: Polated
18: Transient
19: Electric P
20: Robotic
21: Strong Harm
22: Perc Organ
23: Clip Sweep
24: Reso Harms
25: Echoes
26: Formant 2
27: Formant Vocal
28: MicroSync
29: MicroPWM
30(Upper): Upper Waves

IMPORTANT: Largos wavetables and the envelopes use 128 steps, the PPG Wave only uses 64 steps for both. Remember this for the values when you do modulation of the waves index.

[hersoot]

Can Largo use Komplexer wavetables? Here's a link for some wavetables that Komplexer can use:

http://synth.stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves

edit: now the link works

[Ingonator]

Can Largo use Komplexer wavetables? Here's a link for some wavetables that Komplexer can use:

http://synth.stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves

edit: now the link works

So far i can not see any import function but Largo already has 68 wavetables.

[rob_lee]

Can Largo use Komplexer wavetables? Here's a link for some wavetables that Komplexer can use:

http://synth.stromeko.net/Downloads.html#KomplexerWaves

edit: now the link works

So far i can not see any import function but LArgo already has 68 wavetables.

Duh! Silly me i said 72 coz i counted the basic Pulse/Saw/Triangle/Sine

Rob

[Ingonator]

I finished 3 patches based on PPG Wave 2.V factory sounds. They can be found here: http://www.kvraudio.com/banks.php?s=lis ... order=date

It's a test and i know I know that they are not perfect but they are very close to the original. Be free to modify them and publish the updated files here.

[Gribs]

There is no import function for wave tables or waves in Largo (also not in Blofeld - just for single sample wave-based oscillators).

I really like Largo, but my one critique for it, which also applies to the Blofeld (which I also own along with a Q Phoenix KB), is that the wave tables are too authentic in the sense that there are 128 places for waves in the table but only 122 waves in the progression of waves in each table. The remaining (last) 6 places are padded with two triangle waves, two square waves, and 2 saw waves. So if you want to sweep through a wave table using a modulation of some sort without getting the triangle, saw, and square sounds tossed in (which sounds funny and out of place) then you have to be careful to choose your starting wave and modulation amount.

I understand that there was a desire to make some compatibility or similarity between Largo and Waldorf hardware synthesizers, but I would also hope that the software synthesizer would take advantage of the available storage on the typical DAW PC and be shipped with some wave tables that are filled completely with 128 waves in a logical progression. Perhaps there is a logical reason that has to do with the design and layout of the audio processing within the synthesizer that requires the wave tables to be padded with the triangle, square, and saw waves.

[Scot Solida]

Nicely done, Ingonator. I was kind of disappointed in Largo's factory presets. Clearly this instrument has the ability to produce sounds on a par with the original PPG or Microwave, as you've shown here. The third patch in your set is a very close to one of my favorite PPG sounds.

[Ingonator]

Nicely done, Ingonator. I was kind of disappointed in Largo's factory presets. Clearly this instrument has the ability to produce sounds on a par with the original PPG or Microwave, as you've shown here. The third patch in your set is a very close to one of my favorite PPG sounds.

Thank you for your review. i plan to do more PPG patches or even a bank. If i have at least 10 patches i will publish an update.

[suthnear]

So if you want to sweep through a wave table using a modulation of some sort without getting the triangle, saw, and square sounds tossed in (which sounds funny and out of place) then you have to be careful to choose your starting wave and modulation amount.
Perhaps there is a logical reason that has to do with the design and layout of the audio processing within the synthesizer that requires the wave tables to be padded with the triangle, square, and saw waves.

This was a holdover from the microwave synths which had the three traditional analogue waves at the end of every wavetable bank. I don't know about largo but on the blofeld you can prevent these from being included in the wavetable modulation range by turning on the Limit WT parameter.

Note that the blofeld (and, I assume largo) doesn't use the same wavetable technology as the ppg/microwaves: these had an effective resolution of 8 bit, but the blofeld's is 16 bit. Afaik they use an entirely different approach to generating the tables as well which might be the reason for there being no user created tables (although komplexer offered this facility and apparently used the same approach so perhaps this is something for the future).

[Ingonator]

So if you want to sweep through a wave table using a modulation of some sort without getting the triangle, saw, and square sounds tossed in (which sounds funny and out of place) then you have to be careful to choose your starting wave and modulation amount.
Perhaps there is a logical reason that has to do with the design and layout of the audio processing within the synthesizer that requires the wave tables to be padded with the triangle, square, and saw waves.

This was a holdover from the microwave synths which had the three traditional analogue waves at the end of every wavetable bank. I don't know about largo but on the blofeld you can prevent these from being included in the wavetable modulation range by turning on the Limit WT parameter.

Note that the blofeld (and, I assume largo) doesn't use the same wavetable technology as the ppg/microwaves: these had an effective resolution of 8 bit, but the blofeld's is 16 bit. Afaik they use an entirely different approach to generating the tables as well which might be the reason for there being no user created tables (although komplexer offered this facility and apparently used the same approach so perhaps this is something for the future).

The original PPg Wave contained 256 waves and 31 wavetables. A wavetable contained 64 "pointers" to one of the 256 waves. That means that not the wave is stored in the wavetable but just the number of the wave. Quite similar to the wavesequencing in the Wavestation. From what i remember from the Microwave XT that synth had the same system like the PPG. You were able to program your own wavetables by programming the "pointers" of the waves in the wavetable. Not sure if the Largo has the same system but you have access to all 128 waves in the wavetable. This makes me guess it's basically the same technology.

Here is a link to a pdf-file of the pictures all waves/wavetables in the PPG Wave: http://www.seib.synth.net/documents/PPGWTbl.pdf

link to Hermann Seibs PPG page: http://www.hermannseib.com/english/synt ... efault.htm
documentations of the PPG Wave: http://www.hermannseib.com/english/synths/ppg/docs.htm

[filterfilter]

I'm going to port some sounds of the Waldorf Attack to the Largo. I know they won't sound the same, but as Rob Lee has shown here...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... &highlight

...Largo is capable of some really great drumsounds!

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[Ingonator]

I'm going to port some sounds of the Waldorf Attack to the Largo. I know they won't sound the same, but as Rob Lee has shown here...
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopi ... &highlight

...Largo is capable of some really great drumsounds!

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Don't get me wrong but drum sounds were the last thing i thought about when i purchased such a powerfull wavetable synthesizer as Largo. It's main territory should be pads, atmospheres, bell tones, keys and polysynth sounds. For drums i prefer a dedicated drum computer or drum synth plugin. I try to do some PPG style sounds on the Largo to show off the power of Largos wavetable oscillators.

The idea of drum sounds is good anyway. I just wanted so say i was surprised that this was one of your first ideas on programming patches on Largo.

By the way the Waldorf Edition LE is contained on the Largo CD. This includes PPG Wave 2.V LE, Attack LE and D-Pole LE.