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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:25 pm reply with quote
whoah. Cool
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:28 pm reply with quote
nice
I read about a slew limiter
http://www.analoguesystems.co.uk/modules/rs350.htm
it is actualy able to distinguish between the speed of incoming events.
that's why things in your patch don't go to 1000khz envelopes ,lfos
they are limited in tempo by this right ?
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PostPosted: Sun Dec 13, 2009 9:35 pm reply with quote
Resistance is futile Wheeeeeee
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 12:53 am reply with quote
Thanks a lot guys! I have been heavily influenced by electro-acoustic music from the middle of last century and stuff from bell labs and BBC radiophonic workshop has been a big inspiration, the work of Bebe and Loise Barron as well.

Regarding slew limiters... they smooth out sudden value changes. So a square wave turns into a triangle or sine (depending on linear, log, or exponential response) and stepped random voltages turn into smooth noise. A slew limiter is basically a 1-pole low pass filter designed to operate a specific way. I used quantizers and VCAs to control the ranges of values that different voltage sources could send to their destinations.

Here are some of the devices I used to generate random voltages in in the analog realm.

http://www.doepfer.de/a118.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/a148.htm
http://www.doepfer.de/a170.htm

http://www.makenoisemusic.com/wogglebug.html

This is the complex envelope generator which is kinda the center of how the patch regenerates itself...
http://www.makenoisemusic.com/PATCHPAL.html
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 1:13 am reply with quote
This is seriously my favorite thing you've posted here.

I started building a Eurorack a month ago, but have been haunting Muff's forum for months just doing research. So far, I just have an A-127 and a Plan B m36 leveler in a beauty case... Not a lot of power, but it cost a grand total of $160 (hooray for used prices!), and it beats the hell out of guitar signals. Sending it signals from Max4Live is a blast... glad to see someone else is using that for modular signals!

This type of music is pretty much what my long-term plan is for the system... Which oscillators are being used on this? If the picture above is of the patch, it looks like you are using the Hertz Donut?
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 2:11 am reply with quote
thelizard wrote:
This is seriously my favorite thing you've posted here.
Thanks! Thumbs Up!

thelizard wrote:
This type of music is pretty much what my long-term plan is for the system... Which oscillators are being used on this? If the picture above is of the patch, it looks like you are using the Hertz Donut?


That picture isn't of this patch, though the Hertz Donut was involved. All the clangy FM stuff you hear is HD, the bass heavy PWM stuff is AFG and Doepfer A-110. They all run through the QMMG which is controlled by Maths. VCAs controlled by stepped random voltages control which envelope controls which channel of the QMMG. The only advice I can give... have more VCAs than signal generators! utility modules make the world go round. Very Happy

Not pictured here is a row of DIY Frac modules; a matrix mixer, clock divider/analog logic and a wave multipliers. The interaction between M4L and the modular is magical but latency becomes a much bigger factor than I've had to deal with before, especial when feedback loops are involved.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:31 am reply with quote
I was surprised that I made it through all of this, not because I didn't like it but because when it started I expected 23 minutes of it would get to be too much. It didn't. I think as a personal taste thing I'd enjoy some of these sounds in something a bit more structured, but I liked hearing this. Thanks.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:30 am reply with quote
Pretty Bizar sounds man
Thanks.

RE is the magic 2009 word

Re Am Co

A Re-invent yourself
B Be who you want to be
C Co-operate and continue with A

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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 5:39 pm reply with quote
Emerald Tablet wrote:
RE is the magic 2009 word


To bad 2009 is almost over, huh? I'm looking forward to defining 2010 in different terms. I need more verbs in my life. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:25 pm reply with quote
This seems like it could be mind-expanding. If the gods inform me how they will allow me an extra long life for being good all year, I plan to take acid and listen to all 23 minutes one day. Which in my current musical mind is an ETERNITY... ... ...
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:31 pm reply with quote
Excellent. Thank you for the advice!

I've been planning on starting mainly with audio processing, and building up modulators and gates. Once I have a fairly complex audio processor, only then will I add an osc. Right now, it's a three-way tie between AFG, Hertz, and Piston Honda (I love me some wavetables), but it'll be probably half-a-year before I can throw enough money at it.

But yeah, more than anything, Maths + QMMG seem like the tits.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 14, 2009 6:42 pm reply with quote
how about achieving this in software?
what modules should we get ?
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:28 am reply with quote
thelizard wrote:
But yeah, more than anything, Maths + QMMG seem like the tits.


Yeah... an understatement. Those two modules alone make one bad ass synth/processor. I plan on devoting a whole case to MakeNoise modules next year.

Quote:
how about achieving this in software?
what modules should we get ?


I think you could do this in Reaktor or Max. It wouldn't sound *just* like this but you could build a similar patch in almost any modular environment. In terms of components, its relative simple... 4 VCOs, 4 filters, 2 envelopes, a bunch of random modulation generators, VCAs... etc. That said, getting everything to interact like this in software would be hard. There are lots of non-linearities due to the feedback, cross-talk and intermodulation which would translate to a CPU monster if you tried to model it in software. I'm sure it's possible though. Smile
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 1:38 am reply with quote
jancivil wrote:
This seems like it could be mind-expanding. If the gods inform me how they will allow me an extra long life for being good all year, I plan to take acid and listen to all 23 minutes one day. Which in my current musical mind is an ETERNITY... ... ...


I know the feeling. The first minute or so gives up most of the goods, so your not missing much in the subsequent 20+ minutes. Very Happy I honestly don't think I deserve 20+ minutes of anyone's attention... but it's there if you're interested. Or completely out of your mind. HiHi
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PostPosted: Tue Dec 15, 2009 3:34 am reply with quote
Yes, the spirit of the Columbia Princeton Electronic Music Center is alive and well in these waveforms. And there is an added element of glitchtasticality that makes it unique and fun.

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