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So what are these uvi ircam solo strings like?
TheoM
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PostPosted: Thu May 09, 2013 9:53 am reply with quote
They have built them up as being amazing in their website and email, anyone have any experience?

With prices like these is when a demo of at least 5 instruments is needed..

Always wondering about a dedicated solo string set.. on sale the vienna download is cheaper though (not currently however)

Any one at all have *any* idea?

Not interested in the piano as i am well and truly all pianoed out but feel free to discuss the quality of that also in this topic if you use it and wish to inform potential others about it Smile

PS i don't like the *demos* of the solo instruments, so much detuning and over the top phrases going on.. i didn't get any representation of what they'd sound like playing straight up classical lines. Hence the topic.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:27 am reply with quote
Yes, their audio demos are horrible !

I wonder what they were thinking ? with all the amazing competing products, they are thinking this is going to sell this product ?

Maybe they need to look around and see how demos are made, or they have a lemon-string product.

Oh well... I would be interested in getting some feedback as well regarding their solo-strings, and other orchestral libraries. I wonder who would buy them based on these (horrible sounding) demos Shocked
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 12:47 am reply with quote
ok thanks for saying what i wanted to HiHi

Yep...

i don't think someone is going to part with 400 smackers based on those.. so...

hopefully *someone* might have anyway, and can tell us what they are like
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:27 am reply with quote
TheoM wrote:
...so much detuning and over the top phrases going on...

Yes, it's a bit freaky. I would be interested to hear some 'normal' sounding demos also. I'll stick to my Wallander plugs for now Wink
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 1:43 am reply with quote
this was what, four years ago? it's not supposed to be bread and butter AT ALL, it's supposed to be avant-garde extended techniques.

I have seen people mention them at VSL forums. they were not really too up to date as far as the handling for when it came out. I looked at it for a moment as it should fill a gigantic gap in samples libraries...

I found this right away, I read this, and I saw it echoed by people that did buy it: "this library is much more evocative than it is expressive — by which I mean that any individual note you play has lots of character, but you'll have to work hard to link those notes together into a truly musical-sounding phrase. This is primarily because, for all its avant-garde content, the multisampling seems rather out of touch with the state of the art."

If you're not looking for 'avant-garde/extended techniques' strings, and particularly if you don't even know what that is, don't worry about it, this is a very niche product that the people that really wanted it were disappointed with.
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 2:12 am reply with quote
That kinda rings true for a few of the UVI packs in my opinion. Except Synths Anthology (Ultra Focus) which has actually been surprisingly useful for me.

The demos on the solo instruments page remind me of the David Sylvian album "Manafon"... it's chamber music yes? Avant Garde?... I used to shudder at that label. "Let's put all the weird shit into this box here..."
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PostPosted: Fri May 10, 2013 3:24 am reply with quote
Avant Garde sounding strings = Crappy Sounding Strings Shocked

PASS on this crap.

I will surely not waste my money on this.

Hopefully UVI will get the message that these are a failure product, and develop some great sounding, realistic strings, both solo and section.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 8:06 am reply with quote
Hi,

The IRCAM Institute is well-known for their expertise on contemporary music.
The purpose of the demos featuring IRCAM Solo Instruments is to focus on what people are looking for in these specific instruments. From contemporary classical music fans to sound designers, they are not necessarily looking for another solo string library but something different with unusual playing techniques.

IRCAM Solo is capable of performing traditional sounds really well and it is right that we should keep a demo like this in mind. Thanks for pointing this to us.

BTW: Guillaume Roussel, the guy who did those crappy demos, is now working with Hans Zimmer on projects like Pirates of the Caribbean, and many other films and TV Show Smile
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 9:19 am reply with quote
well, there is this and something by ZeroG. there is a gigantic gap in the world of samples libraries, not just strings. albeit some of the gestures in WarpIV music brass and winds amounts to extended techniques.

the approach seems a lot like my problem with certain EWQL things, it's not essentially different than working with loops. if you can make something work in isolation, it's useful to that degree. it's a sort of cobbler's approach; I have been able to put together *performances* with WarpIV articulations but my skepticism was too high to purchase this, and it wasn't a matter of me being really so broke then. Maybe I should have, because I'm always running into situations where I lack the gesture for the thing.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:22 am reply with quote
otristan wrote:
Hi,

The IRCAM Institute is well-known for their expertise on contemporary music.
The purpose of the demos featuring IRCAM Solo Instruments is to focus on what people are looking for in these specific instruments. From contemporary classical music fans to sound designers, they are not necessarily looking for another solo string library but something different with unusual playing techniques.

IRCAM Solo is capable of performing traditional sounds really well and it is right that we should keep a demo like this in mind. Thanks for pointing this to us.

BTW: Guillaume Roussel, the guy who did those crappy demos, is now working with Hans Zimmer on projects like Pirates of the Caribbean, and many other films and TV Show Smile


Personally the Ircam name on these doesn't impress me.. I think for example the Flux ircam effects are *terrible* and in a price league that is borderline insane. Maybe this is applicable for these strings as well. 400 is alot of money for anyone for a handful of instruments..

and no one here is really enthusiastic about them so far either.

I'll stick to what UVI does best, electronica.
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 10:35 am reply with quote
TheoM wrote:

Personally the Ircam name on these doesn't impress me.. I think for example the Flux ircam effects are *terrible* and in a price league that is borderline insane. Maybe this is applicable for these strings as well. 400 is alot of money for anyone for a handful of instruments..

and no one here is really enthusiastic about them so far either.

I'll stick to what UVI does best, electronica.


The IRCAM name was not there to impress but mostly to give the context of the sampling Smile

IRCAM solo instruments are probably not for people looking for bread and butter orchestral sounds but they do sound great IMHO

If you like astonishing stuff, you can check as well the IRCAM prepared piano
http://www.uvi.net/en/composer-tools/ircam-prepared-piano.ht ml
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PostPosted: Mon May 13, 2013 11:40 am reply with quote
I certainly don't need any pianos Smile but thanks
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