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Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB

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Postby robojam; Mon Sep 27, 2010 1:59 pm Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB

OK, now am I missing something here, or is this a problem that can't be fixed:

I have a Behringer Xenyx 1204 USB hooked up to my PC and can record a guitar via a DI box into Ableton Live.

When I play back a backing track, I can monitor the backing track and the output from a VST that I'm playing the guitar through if I use the headphone output.

However, if I listen through the speakers, I can listen to the backing track, but I don't hear the output of the VST - all I can listen to is the unprocessed guitar.

Any ideas on how I can monitor the guitar through the speakers and hear it post VST?
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Postby robojam; Tue Sep 28, 2010 2:44 pm

Bump. Anyone?
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Postby Redmerkurii; Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:17 pm

How does your mixer connect via USB? There doesn't appear to be a dedicated port on the picture of the mixer on Behringer's site. Does it connect via that dongle thingy with stereo RCA in/out?

If it is the dongle thingy perhaps you could try a simple send/return setup via Aux bus 1 perhaps :shrug:
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Postby robojam; Wed Sep 29, 2010 10:11 am

There is a dedicated USB connection on the mixer. The biggest problem is that the paper manual and anything on Behringer's site is complete crap as far as explaining internal routing is concerned.

The mixer acts as a sound card, and I get two way in/outs via the USB port. The weird thing is that it appears to be different for main outs and monitor out on the mixer.
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Postby fgomes; Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:15 am

Hi robojam

Were you able to solve your problem? I was thinking of buying a similar mixer and got some doubts reading its manual (you are right, the manual is terrible, and the information related to USB routing is useless)... What I understand from reading it is that it is only possible to record the main mix (from mixer to computer), and from computer to mixer you can route the sound to the main mix using the 2-TR/USB to MAIN button (and this should put the audio from the PC on the speakers), and looking for the controls it also seems to me that pressing the 2-TR/USB switch associated with the PHONES / CONTROL ROOM you should have the audio from the PC on the PHONES and CONTROL ROOM outputs, can you confirm if my assumptions are true? And are you happy with this mixer?

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Postby robojam; Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:34 am

No I didn't. The only workaround would be for me to use the monitor outs for my speakers rather than the main out.

I contacted Behringer but just got some bullshit about how it was by design, blah, blah, blah.

You can play back anything from your DAW to the main outs, but not anything you're playing live - you only get the dry signal from the mixer input. Simple answer is you have to listen to live playback through the monitors or headphones, but not through the main outs.
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:40 am

robojam wrote:The only workaround would be for me to use the monitor outs for my speakers rather than the main out.
Isn't that the right way to connect monitors to a mixer?
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Postby robojam; Tue Nov 02, 2010 11:54 am

I would rather have monitors connected to the main out and headphones to the monitor out. It's more that I'd like to use sliders to control the speaker volume rather than a pot.
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Postby fgomes; Wed Nov 03, 2010 12:43 am

the problem is that as this mixer can only send sound to the PC from the MAIN output, if you inject the PC return again on the MAIN it probabbly create a loop. But this is not clear on the documentation. But you are saying that you hear all the sound generated in the PC during your recording except the return from the instrument you are playing... So if there is some sound from the PC, and your instrument is missing on that sound, wouldn't it be a software issue on the PC?
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Postby robojam; Wed Nov 03, 2010 5:25 am

No, it's not a software issue on the PC as I can get the processed sound returned on the monitor bus.

It's possible that a loop could be created with the return on the main bus, but only because of the limited patching. The patching is available on the monitor bus, but not on the main bus - if I could punch out the clean signal on the main bus (as I can on the monitor) then the loop wouldn't be there.

I think it's down to the monitor and main bus routing options being different.
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:10 am

robojam wrote:I would rather have monitors connected to the main out and headphones to the monitor out. It's more that I'd like to use sliders to control the speaker volume rather than a pot.
Why?
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Postby robojam; Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:16 am

thecontrolcentre wrote:
robojam wrote:I would rather have monitors connected to the main out and headphones to the monitor out. It's more that I'd like to use sliders to control the speaker volume rather than a pot.
Why?

Because that's what I'm used to. Far easier to put your hand on sliders for control and even to see them while sitting back from the mixer. A pot has less control, is only mono and you have to be somewhat above it to see how much more movement you have in it.
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:24 am

robojam wrote:
thecontrolcentre wrote:
robojam wrote:I would rather have monitors connected to the main out and headphones to the monitor out. It's more that I'd like to use sliders to control the speaker volume rather than a pot.
Why?

Because that's what I'm used to. Far easier to put your hand on sliders for control and even to see them while sitting back from the mixer. A pot has less control, is only mono and you have to be somewhat above it to see how much more movement you have in it.
I don't understand why having control of the volume of your monitors via the main fader is preferable to having a setup that has no feedback loops. Why do you need to "see" the monitors volume level? Am I missing something here? :shrug:
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Postby robojam; Wed Nov 03, 2010 7:32 am

If I can't see it I don't know how much headroom I have left.

OK, another scenario then. This mixer is supposedly capable of being used in a live situation. What if I want to play a live instrument processed through a laptop. I would use the monitor bus to listen to what I'm playing and use the main bus for the PA, or vice versa (not that I should have to reverse it). Either way one of those sources is going to be missing the processed sound.

If this thing had more routing options it would be better. I'm just puzzled as to why the monitor bus has more than the main bus. It limits its functionality.
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Postby thecontrolcentre; Wed Nov 03, 2010 8:01 am

robojam wrote:This mixer is supposedly capable of being used in a live situation. What if I want to play a live instrument processed through a laptop. I would use the monitor bus to listen to what I'm playing and use the main bus for the PA, or vice versa (not that I should have to reverse it). Either way one of those sources is going to be missing the processed sound.
OK ... I think I understand now. I was thinking of a studio setup, rather than a live one. Doesn't pressing the "2 track/usb to main" button send the processed sound to the main outs, while the "2 track/USB" button sends the same signal to the headphone/monitor out?

Looks like a great little mixer for the money btw
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