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Hink.. you can find a vintage CHAMP on EBAY usually between $400 - $800 depending on age and condition. I think they are like 6 watts but man, do they sound great with the original 8 inch JENSEN speaker.
Now, I am talking about the silver face CHAMPS not the fifties TWEED baby. The silver/black face amps were made from the early 60s to the late 70s (I think they stopped making them in the late 70s but could have continued them into the early 80s). The models from around 69 to 76 had the best sound from some reason but like everything else, each one sounds a little bit different. Three knobs... VOLUME, BASS and TREBLE... that's it but man, talk about sweet and you won't bother your neighbors at all. Jim |
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hibidy wrote: thread makes we want to play guitar
I can't have an amp. I will not put myself in a position of having the neighbors mad at me. If I was a riffing/soling madman then I'd brave it.....but I'm not so I'll pass I thought you had a house? Surely there's a place to mic a micro-tube amp, add a small weber attenuater and your neigbors will never know...options, never had so many, never gonna stop exploiting them ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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jkleban wrote: .
Three knobs... VOLUME, BASS and TREBLE... that's it but man, talk about sweet and you won't bother your neighbors at all. Jim I don't know about the neighbors, I was forced to sell it but I had a fender blues jr (sunbust finish, cool amp) it was only 15 watts but it was very loud. I wish I had bought an Alamo a few years ago, they seem to be suddenly gaining attention on ebay. They were very good little tube amps, but now they are climbing above 500 bux...I use to see them for 150 ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: thread makes we want to play guitar
I can't have an amp. I will not put myself in a position of having the neighbors mad at me. If I was a riffing/soling madman then I'd brave it.....but I'm not so I'll pass I thought you had a house? Surely there's a place to mic a micro-tube amp, add a small weber attenuater and your neigbors will never know...options, never had so many, never gonna stop exploiting them I do have a house. But I'm a VERY quiet neighbor and I expect others to be the same Just played around with AT3 and RP delay.......whammy fun! |
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hibidy wrote: Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: thread makes we want to play guitar
I can't have an amp. I will not put myself in a position of having the neighbors mad at me. If I was a riffing/soling madman then I'd brave it.....but I'm not so I'll pass I thought you had a house? Surely there's a place to mic a micro-tube amp, add a small weber attenuater and your neigbors will never know...options, never had so many, never gonna stop exploiting them I do have a house. But I'm a VERY quiet neighbor and I expect others to be the same Just played around with AT3 and RP delay.......whammy fun! I assume the houses are close together? ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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One of my long term projects is to build a nice stereo combo amp based on a Fender pre-amp topology (my co-worker used to design amps for Fender) with a power amp stage that is designed for low output.
I have a prototype for the pre-amp stage (which I'm going to install into a shittier amp some time this month) but I'm having trouble coming up with a design for the cabinet. It seems to me, most speaker cabinets aren't designed specifically for recording and definitely aren't designed with stereo separation in mind. Any thoughts on this? I figure I may end up with an amp head and two speaker cabs (with a woofer and horn each) instead of a combo cabinet but I'm aiming for something all-in-one. |
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Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: thread makes we want to play guitar
I can't have an amp. I will not put myself in a position of having the neighbors mad at me. If I was a riffing/soling madman then I'd brave it.....but I'm not so I'll pass I thought you had a house? Surely there's a place to mic a micro-tube amp, add a small weber attenuater and your neigbors will never know...options, never had so many, never gonna stop exploiting them I do have a house. But I'm a VERY quiet neighbor and I expect others to be the same Just played around with AT3 and RP delay.......whammy fun! I assume the houses are close together? Just a few feet. |
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justin3am wrote: One of my long term projects is to build a nice stereo combo amp based on a Fender pre-amp topology (my co-worker used to design amps for Fender) with a power amp stage that is designed for low output.
I have a prototype for the pre-amp stage (which I'm going to install into a shittier amp some time this month) but I'm having trouble coming up with a design for the cabinet. It seems to me, most speaker cabinets aren't designed specifically for recording and definitely aren't designed with stereo separation in mind. Any thoughts on this? I figure I may end up with an amp head and two speaker cabs (with a woofer and horn each) instead of a combo cabinet but I'm aiming for something all-in-one. exactly what will you be splitting stereo, two of the same signal? What will be the ying/yang so to speak? ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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Well the pre-amps will be normalled with a buffer, so if you only connect input 1 it feeds input 2 without signal loss. Most of the signal processors I use are stereo though, and I'm just as likely to use the amp with a synth as a guitar.
So the amp will take a mono or stereo signal. Right now I just have a single channel of the preamp. I'd like to make it so you can use it as a traditional switchable two-channel mono amp or as a stereo non-switchable amp. The circuit that allows me to use a single set of controls for both amps in stereo mode, while using independent controls for each amp in mono mode, is kinds tricky though. I may end up using a pic or atmel processor to control everything digitally. |
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Back in those psychedelic days, I know a guy who wired his each pickup post on his guitar to have separate outputs, then he made a 6 channel amp and placed them in a arch from the floor to about 5 feet over the ground back to the ground on the other side and he would sit in the middle of the speakers and play his guitar for 10 hours a day.
One day, not knowing what the monstrosity was, I asked him and he took about an hour to explain to me what he did, he was very excited. Then I asked him, "but how can anybody else hear how cool this sounds if only the person sitting in the middle of the arch can hear the pickup spread?". I stumped him and he never played the thing again. But I did run into him a few years later.... his band was playing in a big theatre and he kept the six channel guitar and spread six fender TWINS across the stage so that other people could finally hear his invention (which was pretty cool). I forgot all about this story until this thread. THANKS HINK. Jim Last edited by jkleban on Tue Dec 28, 2010 6:20 pm; edited 1 time in total |
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hibidy wrote: Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: Hink wrote: hibidy wrote: thread makes we want to play guitar
I can't have an amp. I will not put myself in a position of having the neighbors mad at me. If I was a riffing/soling madman then I'd brave it.....but I'm not so I'll pass I thought you had a house? Surely there's a place to mic a micro-tube amp, add a small weber attenuater and your neigbors will never know...options, never had so many, never gonna stop exploiting them I do have a house. But I'm a VERY quiet neighbor and I expect others to be the same Just played around with AT3 and RP delay.......whammy fun! I assume the houses are close together? Just a few feet. Older neighbourhood right? If so then it might be an idea to look into that attenuator... ---- Barry The man who survived mustard gas and pepper spray is now a seasoned veteran http://www.ambientonline.org/ |
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jkleban wrote: Back in those psychedelic days, I know I guy you wired his each pickup post on his guitar to have separate outputs, then he made a 6 channel amp and placed them in a arch from the floor to about 5 feet over the ground and he would sit in the middle of the speakers and play his guitar for 10 hours a day.
One day, not knowing what the monstrosity was, I asked him and he took about an hour to explain to me what he did, he was very excited. Then I asked him, "but how can anybody else hear how cool this sounds if only the person sitting in the middle of the arch can hear the pickup spread?". I stumped him and he never played the thing again. But I did run into him a few years later.... his band was playing in a big theatre and he kept the six channel guitar and spread six fender TWINS across the stage so that other people could finally hear his invention (which was pretty cool). I forgot all about this story until this thread. THANKS HINK. Jim That's over the top ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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I missed that one then J man Dean @hibidy - just get a very low wattage mini, your neighbour's will not hear it unless you crank it right up. The Vox ValveTronix range even though they are not all-valve (digital pre, mini-dummy valve power-amp then amplified by a solid-state power-amp) have a control which allows you to take it down to 1 Watt and crank everything for example - With a mini valve badboy and something akin to Hink's Weber or other power soak you can do the same. It is obvious you are really missing the actual experience an amp gives you and giving in to temptation is your forte Been so close to pulling the trigger on one a few times but something has always come up which prevented me doing so - Not that i changed my mind i must add. Its on 'Teh List Of Finacial Ruin' i have. The list is pure exctasy to look through but torture when it comes to reality/current bank balance dude SoundOnSoundMagazine wrote: Sequis Motherload Versus Line 6 PodXT Comparing the Motherload/amp combination to a PodXT, with all its effects switched off, I could actually get the PodXT to sound pretty close. Surprisingly, there was often more fizzy/crackly top in the PodXT signal, but the characteristic real-speaker mid-range dip was already there, and the bottom end was comparable, although the Motherload was better at really deep 'thump' frequencies, so long as they were present in the source. The thing I could never match was the clean-to-distorted range of the real amps. Most of these could go from warm clean to singing distortion just on the guitar's volume control, whereas the PodXT always needed a gain tweak to get either end just right. Plugging the PodXT into the filter stage of the Motherload, switching off the PodXT's cabinet simulation, and using the effect return input actually improved some of the PodXT sounds, to my ears, whilst failing to match others. This could be a useful strategy for anyone who needs the versatility and immediacy of the PodXT, but who isn't quite convinced by the sound. Where it works, it seems to shave off a bit more of the high top end than the Pod's own cabinets, somehow leaving what remains sounding far more focused, and just more convincingly real, especially if you then apply room simulation after the Motherload output.
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The original Line 6 Bass Pod proved even more successful, with the Motherload invariably providing a more usable recorded bass sound than the Pod's own cabs, to my ears, with a smoother, more extended bottom end. One thing to watch out for when connecting a unit like the PodXT in this way is that the Motherload chassis is not grounded, for safety reasons, and the PodXT chassis isn't grounded either. This can produce a lot of noise pickup in some situations, for which the only cure is grounding the PodXT chassis. I did this by connecting the other output to my mixer, but connecting both sockets sends the PodXT's output into stereo mode — not ideal if you are using any of the PodXT's stereo effects, as you'll only then be recording one side. A shallow self-tapping screw into one of the mic stand adaptor holes on the underside of the PodXT crocodile-clipped to something earthy (like the sleeve of a jack lead coming from your mixer perhaps) seems to solve the problem completely, although this isn't recommended if your PodXT is still under warranty. http://www.soundonsound.com/sos/jul05/articles/sequis.htm and that is the older models of the seperate units instead of everything under one roof of the newer one http://www.two-notes.com/en/Two-Notes-Products/Le-Torpedo-VM -202.html - Although for that kind of money it would have to be bloody breathtakingly amazing PPS: Hink i do not mean to make your Weber attentuator feel lacking or anything with the above links ---- Shit For Blood, Piss For Brains |
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justin3am wrote: One of my long term projects is to build a nice stereo combo amp based on a Fender pre-amp topology (my co-worker used to design amps for Fender) with a power amp stage that is designed for low output.
I have a prototype for the pre-amp stage (which I'm going to install into a shittier amp some time this month) but I'm having trouble coming up with a design for the cabinet. It seems to me, most speaker cabinets aren't designed specifically for recording and definitely aren't designed with stereo separation in mind. Any thoughts on this? I figure I may end up with an amp head and two speaker cabs (with a woofer and horn each) instead of a combo cabinet but I'm aiming for something all-in-one. Think about PA systems speakers and the way the line array works with angles and that may work mate Or you could build two speaker coffins. Like the AxeTrack or Randall ISO cab but with DIY skill and the total freedom of spec to own preference (which driver, which horn, which mic/mic to have inside...etc.). If you want to go with a more conventional cab than the Isolation thing then it is all about the angles, even looking at the principles of decent monitors could work if applied but just on a larger scale and with slightly less fidelity in mind. I am sure there must be alot of resources if you ask susiwong for forum/site links for this sort of thing (between susiwong and Hink they are like an encylopedia of info/experience and resourse All the best to you and hope you are having a good festive season with the Mrs and family/loved one's. Same to everyone else of course Dean and Family ---- Shit For Blood, Piss For Brains |
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justin3am wrote: Well the pre-amps will be normalled with a buffer, so if you only connect input 1 it feeds input 2 without signal loss. Most of the signal processors I use are stereo though, and I'm just as likely to use the amp with a synth as a guitar.
So the amp will take a mono or stereo signal. Right now I just have a single channel of the preamp. I'd like to make it so you can use it as a traditional switchable two-channel mono amp or as a stereo non-switchable amp. The circuit that allows me to use a single set of controls for both amps in stereo mode, while using independent controls for each amp in mono mode, is kinds tricky though. I may end up using a pic or atmel processor to control everything digitally. you didn't answer my question though and I am someone who always wanted similar, I really wanted a tech 21 trademark 120...afterall my fx are stereo, I have a stereo tube pre-amp and at one point I had my 4x12 wired down to 4 ohms stereo with a 400 watt stereo power amp...you know what I got out of it? A hernia Perhaps if you could design a cab that sent the signal wider it would be good for live (I could see issues too if it's too wide) but again what is the gain for guitar? For recording it's a snap now and if you want it live go through the board. Yeah a stereo amp is cool and it has a limited place but I found it's like going from the east coast to west coast by heading east. You go a long ways and it aint that big a deal when you get there ---- I never learned anything from being right Hink 2012 RIP Reason L. and Ian B |
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