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Syncing Drums and Synth Bass/Arpeggio in Cubase

PostPosted: Mon Aug 01, 2011 2:44 pm
by matt1314
Hello guys!


I got a little question about how to sync drums from Arturia Spark with an arpeggio running on another VST synth. I want that the drums follow the rhythm of the arpeggio in the exact tempo the drums are in and vice versa. What is needed for that and how is that possible? Like for example let the Arpeggio preset of Queen's Radio Ga Ga from the OP-X PRO-II follow a nice catchy rhythm from Spark.



Thanks in advance. :)

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 4:38 am
by matt1314
I doubt that nobody knows how...

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:42 pm
by matt1314
Anyone please? Why nobody answers me?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:49 pm
by thecontrolcentre
If you have them loaded in your host there should be an option to synchronize to host tempo.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 2:52 pm
by RunBeerRun
Well, if you had 2 plugs, a drum machine and a synth w/arp, the clocks powering them could sync to host.

I always fine tune my arpeggiator's clock to fit the song. So not spot-on, but more like a usable live performance.

I don't know how to do it exactly the way you've said though.

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:33 pm
by matt1314
Yes, they are loaded in Cubase 5. There is sometimes a "Sync" button (e.g. on the Korg Polysix (KLC AE 07) next to the arpeggiator) but I'm not sure if it's that synchronization I need. And I didn't find a sync button on Spark's GUI. But on Sylenth1 there's a sync button as well. When I activated it, I didn't really notice a difference. So maybe it has another usage?

PostPosted: Tue Aug 02, 2011 3:38 pm
by thecontrolcentre
I would imagine Spark syncs with the host automatically, or it would be no use as a drum plugin. If you synchronize the arp in OPX to host, everything should play together nicely (you may also have to press play in Cubase).

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 2:23 am
by matt1314
Well, on the OP-X GUI I found a button called "Sync to Song". I made a little test and recorded everything. You can have a look at it here. Tell me if that sounds synchronized to each other.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 3:09 am
by randyandyvandaman
First of all what is you DAW. Your Spark plug in should sycn with DAW.
The vst you have running in a track should also sync with spark.

Second if you use standalone you can midi sync to say analogue laboratory or another keyboard.

Hope this may be of help.

Cheers

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:31 am
by matt1314
I wrote above what DAW I use, Cubase 5 and no, I don't use them as standalone 'cause you surely know that OP-X PRO-II isn't available as standalone.

Now could you tell me how I shall tell Spark to sync with my DAW and the OP-X with Spark? I noticed two buttons on the top of Spark saying "Host" and "Tempo". If I press "Tempo", I'm not able to change the speed of the drum pattern. Does that mean that Spark adjusts the speed automatically to sync with my VST? I didn't really notice any difference when having these buttons activated or not.

Right now I tried using an arpeggio from Sylenth1 (with Sync button activated) and most of the time it runs smoothly and follows the rhythm well, but later on it gets out of time with Spark. I can't figure out why, I want that it keeps being in time.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:47 am
by Peter999
Regarding OP-X PRO-II: Yep, the buttons below "Sync to Song Tempo" serve for this purpose; "ARP" synchronizes the arpeggiator, "LFO" the LFO, and "III" sets both to triolic mode; when sync is on the dedicated speed knobs are rasterized and multiply/divide the reference speed instead of seamless control

Btw, the "Radio Ga Ga Arpeggio" preset exists in a synced variant which just follows after it (postfix SYNC in the preset name)

The Radio Ga Ga sound example of course uses sync too to fit the drums part perfectly:
OP-X PRO-II: Radio Ga Ga

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:53 am
by thecontrolcentre
matt1314 wrote:I can't figure out why
That's why there are manuals for these plugins. Have you looked under midi-sync?

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 5:59 am
by matt1314
Thanks for the explanation, but what to do in terms of Sylenth1? There aren't such detailed preferences except of the "SYNC" button on the top of the GUI.

Edit: That's what the manual of Sylenth1 says:

The Sync button is located on the top bar of the
user interface. It forces several timing
parameters like LFO rates and delay times to
be synchronized with the host tempo.
If Sync is turned off, these parameters will display their values in seconds or
Hertz. When it is turned on, they will show their values in bar parts. One bar
contains four beats, so a value of 1/4 means once every beat, and a value of
1/8 means twice every beat. Triolic and punctuated values are also
possible: T stands for triolic and D for punctuated note lengths


I never saw these parameters on the GUI when the button was activated.

PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 8:07 am
by matt1314
BTW I found these sync options in Cubase. Do they have anything to do with my problem?

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PostPosted: Wed Aug 03, 2011 10:43 am
by Mikelo
matt1314 wrote:Hello guys!


I got a little question about how to sync drums from Arturia Spark with an arpeggio running on another VST synth. I want that the drums follow the rhythm of the arpeggio in the exact tempo the drums are in and vice versa. What is needed for that and how is that possible? Like for example let the Arpeggio preset of Queen's Radio Ga Ga from the OP-X PRO-II follow a nice catchy rhythm from Spark.



Thanks in advance. :)


Silly question but it's best to eliminate as many problems as possible.
Have you set your sound card to the correct asio in sound devices?