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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:01 am reply with quote
How much latency does Reviver have?

Not sure if i would buy a product that old from a company that doesn't show any activity and has C/R protection.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:23 am reply with quote
Mercado_Negro wrote:
[EDIT] Oh, I forgot, if you just heard the commercial library that comes with Nebula3 Pro then I understand why can feel that way. That library was OK 4 years ago or so, not anymore. You need 3rd party libraries to hear what's capable of.

...if you trying to say now that Nebula was released prematurely I FULLY AGREE with you on this Very Happy

BUT-the library was NOT ok even 4 years ago Help why???-simply-becouse was not working as expected most of the time... Sad!!!
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:32 am reply with quote
zeep wrote:
How much latency does Reviver have?

Not sure if i would buy a product that old from a company that doesn't show any activity and has C/R protection.

simple saturator as this dont need any latency at all,becouse it works instantly!
and if you dont like that company,there are at least 2 other products capable of doing basically the same processing... Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 5:49 am reply with quote
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Mercado_Negro wrote:
[EDIT] Oh, I forgot, if you just heard the commercial library that comes with Nebula3 Pro then I understand why can feel that way. That library was OK 4 years ago or so, not anymore. You need 3rd party libraries to hear what's capable of.

...if you trying to say now that Nebula was released prematurely I FULLY AGREE with you on this Very Happy


No, that was not I was trying to say.

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BUT-the library was NOT ok even 4 years ago Help why???-simply-becouse was not working as expected most of the time... Sad!!!


Well, that library made me purchase it 4 years ago... actually, it was not the commercial library, it was a Nebula CM version which had some of the programs of the full commercial library. I purchased it because it was a solid product on my end and it sounded good.

To the OP:

I can't suggest it enough, try the VTM-M2 plug-in in your Master track. You don't even need a tape plug-in before it. Listen carefully what happens to transients and the stereo image. Start with the hi/lo switch set to low and increase the input slowly while decreasing the output accordingly. At some point you'll hear how transients are rounded up and the stereo image increases more and more (with zero phase issues). Leave it there and switch it to hi, then turn the output down a couple of dB's to hear how saturation enriches your mix. Seriously, this VTM-M2, Nebula and VCC are most incredible plug-ins I've ever worked with.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:07 am reply with quote
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I can't suggest it enough, try the VTM-M2 plug-in in your Master track. You don't even need a tape plug-in before it. Listen carefully what happens to transients and the stereo image. Start with the hi/lo switch set to low and increase the input slowly while decreasing the output accordingly. At some point you'll hear how transients are rounded up and the stereo image increases more and more (with zero phase issues). Leave it there and switch it to hi, then turn the output down a couple of dB's to hear how saturation enriches your mix. Seriously, this VTM-M2, Nebula and VCC are most incredible plug-ins I've ever worked with.

sorry I have demoed VTTM last year and all I can say is that I totally prefer KT over it...simply becouse it gives me THAT nice,sligtly lo-fi SOUND Im used to hear from old rock records from 60's and early 70's.../think Zep,Sabbath etc/ Smile

edit-and it dont need another 2 instances of Nebula/or R2R/ to get sound Im after...Kramer tape simply works as it is Smile

but IF creator of VTTM sometime in the future will create ONE simple tape plugin capable of doing same sound as R2R+VTTM combo than it will be much more interesting for me at least to test it Cool...becouse I m not a friend of overly complicated setups...
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:40 am reply with quote
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Mercado_Negro wrote:
I can't suggest it enough, try the VTM-M2 plug-in in your Master track. You don't even need a tape plug-in before it. Listen carefully what happens to transients and the stereo image. Start with the hi/lo switch set to low and increase the input slowly while decreasing the output accordingly. At some point you'll hear how transients are rounded up and the stereo image increases more and more (with zero phase issues). Leave it there and switch it to hi, then turn the output down a couple of dB's to hear how saturation enriches your mix. Seriously, this VTM-M2, Nebula and VCC are most incredible plug-ins I've ever worked with.

sorry I have demoed VTTM last year and all I can say is that I totally prefer KT over it...simply becouse it gives me THAT nice,sligtly lo-fi SOUND Im used to hear from old rock records from 60's and early 70's.../think Zep,Sabbath etc/ Smile

edit-and it dont need another 2 instances of Nebula/or R2R/ to get sound Im after...Kramer tape simply works as it is Smile

but IF creator of VTTM sometime in the future will create ONE simple tape plugin capable of doing same sound as R2R+VTTM combo than it will be much more interesting for me at least to test it Cool...becouse I m not a friend of overly complicated setups...


This is why this thread, while quite interesting, is also nearly impossible to even have - here are examples of two people using saturation to achieve different results. One is using Saturation like a fine tooth comb, finding its proverbial 'G-spot' associated with pin point accurate settings while the other just wants a crunchy 'lo-fi- sound. This particular manner of processing is abstract and makes discussion very slippery. Anyways, there are some amazing tools to achieve a 'soft saturation'. Do you want it gooey like Magnetic or Roundtone, or edgy-velvety like Waves MPX? Or something else entirely - Mellowmuse SATV or Decapitator, right?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 6:49 am reply with quote
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kvaca wrote:
Mercado_Negro wrote:
I can't suggest it enough, try the VTM-M2 plug-in in your Master track. You don't even need a tape plug-in before it. Listen carefully what happens to transients and the stereo image. Start with the hi/lo switch set to low and increase the input slowly while decreasing the output accordingly. At some point you'll hear how transients are rounded up and the stereo image increases more and more (with zero phase issues). Leave it there and switch it to hi, then turn the output down a couple of dB's to hear how saturation enriches your mix. Seriously, this VTM-M2, Nebula and VCC are most incredible plug-ins I've ever worked with.

sorry I have demoed VTTM last year and all I can say is that I totally prefer KT over it...simply becouse it gives me THAT nice,sligtly lo-fi SOUND Im used to hear from old rock records from 60's and early 70's.../think Zep,Sabbath etc/ Smile

edit-and it dont need another 2 instances of Nebula/or R2R/ to get sound Im after...Kramer tape simply works as it is Smile

but IF creator of VTTM sometime in the future will create ONE simple tape plugin capable of doing same sound as R2R+VTTM combo than it will be much more interesting for me at least to test it Cool...becouse I m not a friend of overly complicated setups...


This is why this thread, while quite interesting, is also nearly impossible to even have - here are examples of two people using saturation to achieve different results. One is using Saturation like a fine tooth comb, finding its proverbial 'G-spot' associated with pin point accurate settings while the other just wants a crunchy 'lo-fi- sound. This particular manner of processing is abstract and makes discussion very slippery. Anyways, there are some amazing tools to achieve a 'soft saturation'. Do you want it gooey like Magnetic or Roundtone, or edgy-velvety like Waves MPX? Or something else entirely - Mellowmuse SATV or Decapitator, right?

..and your comment on VTTM...fine tooth comb? Surprised
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:07 am reply with quote
kvaca wrote:
sorry I have demoed VTTM last year and all I can say is that I totally prefer KT over it...simply becouse it gives me THAT nice,sligtly lo-fi SOUND Im used to hear from old rock records from 60's and early 70's.../think Zep,Sabbath etc/ Smile


Of course, that's perfectly understandable, VTM-M2 isn't a tape machine emulation like Waves KMT, hence the lack of tape speed and bias. It's something different. Again, maybe not your cup of tea. Apparently you're not after subtle results to enrich mixes harmonically depending on levels and dynamics but you're more interested in drastic and "dark" results, so to speak.

kvaca wrote:
but IF creator of VTTM sometime in the future will create ONE simple tape plugin capable of doing same sound as R2R+VTTM combo than it will be much more interesting for me at least to test it Cool...becouse I m not a friend of overly complicated setups...


There you go, see? Nebula is not for you Smile (it's not overly complicated though, you just to approach it in a different way).
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:38 am reply with quote
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Apparently you're not after subtle results to enrich mixes harmonically depending on levels and dynamics but you're more interested in drastic and "dark" results, so to speak.

the truth is opposite-Im after it...but if I want harmonically rich sound I prefer using quality tube mics or tube preamps like TLA, becouse I know that it still sounds significantly better than using sterile preamp and additional digital warmifiers like Nebula-try for yourself and you will see...if this approach isnt too much "oldschool" for you Smile
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 7:47 am reply with quote
kvaca wrote:
Mercado_Negro wrote:
Apparently you're not after subtle results to enrich mixes harmonically depending on levels and dynamics but you're more interested in drastic and "dark" results, so to speak.

the truth is opposite-Im after it...but if I want harmonically rich sound I prefer using quality tube mics or tube preamps like TLA, becouse I know that it still sounds significantly better than using sterile preamp and additional digital warmifiers like Nebula-try for yourself and you will see...if this approach isnt too much "oldschool" for you Smile


I have used a lot of gear, thanks Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:29 am reply with quote
zeep wrote:
How much latency does Reviver have?

Not sure if i would buy a product that old from a company that doesn't show any activity and has C/R protection.


i am not sure either i might contact them and see fi they respond.

My demo ran out days ago by the way.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 8:31 am reply with quote
nixim1 wrote:
PSP mix saturator has a wonderful warm sound- highly recommended. Also, Waves mpx... I like how it's rolling off the lows. Smile


But you can make them sound BAD>

that's probably why i mentioned reviver, it is "bad proof". it never gets nasty.


to kvacs maybe it's a simply process, i don't know, but it works for me..

can you give me a product that you think does basically the same thing as reviver?

i would love to check it out, especially if cheaper, as that is the sound i want.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 9:35 am reply with quote
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nixim1 wrote:
PSP mix saturator has a wonderful warm sound- highly recommended. Also, Waves mpx... I like how it's rolling off the lows. Smile


But you can make them sound BAD>

that's probably why i mentioned reviver, it is "bad proof". it never gets nasty.


to kvacs maybe it's a simply process, i don't know, but it works for me..

can you give me a product that you think does basically the same thing as reviver?

i would love to check it out, especially if cheaper, as that is the sound i want.

cheers.

Nxtasy-version 1 /-because I dont like newer version3/- is principially the same /if you avoid to use 4th and 5th harmonics/...but Crysonic are...you know what to expect Laughing
Better one is Melda MSaturator,its multiband-if you want it this way,and if you switch off first clipping stage and use only 2nd and 3rd harmonics... Smile but be carefull-every saturation CAN sound bad if abused,reviver too!
and-dont forget to use oversampling if you dont like aliasing Very Happy
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:51 pm reply with quote
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 25, 2012 1:56 pm reply with quote
@ttoz: if i understand correctly, then reviver does the same stuff as christian budde's waveshapers, no?

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