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WilliamK
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 5:18 am reply with quote
With all the talk on SOPA and PIPA, all the hate on the new law, I wonder one thing, what are YOU doing to help decrease Piracy on your life and on the Internet?

Piracy is BAD, there's no way around that, it hurt small developers such as myself, hurt small labels, hurt the economy, and is just bad.

SOPA and PIPA are also bad, but lets face it, if you were a stock holder on a big company that looses millions and billions on Piracy, you would LOVE either bill, right?

So lets face it, its time to put a stop on Piracy, on our life, on the internet.

You know how to help, just start doing something today.
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Doug B
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:14 am reply with quote
For a start, you might tell some of us what SOPA and PIPA are, I've never heard of them. What are they and why should we care?

EDIT: Ah, I see they are anti-copyright infringement laws proposed in the US. Why should anyone outside the US care? Contrary to what US citizens think, they are not the entire world.
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WilliamK
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:26 am reply with quote
Actually, since we are US based, we care. It could be good or bad, but mostly VERY bad. They could take our site down, and things like that. But still, Piracy is bad, so something must happen. Plus, over half of all Wusik sales are from the US, so there you go. Wink
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 7:38 am reply with quote
an insightful post concerning sopa/pipa is available here. it also explains why the effects will be global.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:05 am reply with quote
it is quite ironic that the corporations lobbying for this so-called anti-piracy bill happen to be the same corporations that enabled, encouraged and profited from the distribution of the peer-to-peer piracy programs in the first place :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WJIuYgIvKsc

and here's a presentation for those who wonder WTF is SOPA :

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JhwuXNv8fJM
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:15 am reply with quote
I born in Poland, Poland had been governed by totalitarian regime for 40 years, so I hate all freedom restriction. Of course, piracy is bad (recently I purchased Wusikstation:)), but totalitarianism is worse.
Today on all English Wikipedia sites is displayed appeal against SOPA and PIPA instead normal contents: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Main_Page

BTW:
Sorry for my poor English.

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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:23 am reply with quote
You know i can understand the movement against it but locking sites, especially like this site, forcing their users to sign some anti-SOPA pledge is just too much: http://www.xda-developers.com/sopa/. Imo this is just the kind of dictator ship they want to protest against.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 8:54 am reply with quote
WilliamK wrote:
SOPA and PIPA are also bad, but lets face it, if you were a stock holder on a big company that looses millions and billions on Piracy, you would LOVE either bill, right?


Hopefully if I was smart enough to buy stock, I'd be smart enough to realise what a badly worded, ill-conceived PoS these bills really are.

Read John Scalzis blackout statement: http://whatever.scalzi.com/

Sums it up for me.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:09 am reply with quote
chk071 wrote:
You know i can understand the movement against it but locking sites, especially like this site, forcing their users to sign some anti-SOPA pledge is just too much: http://www.xda-developers.com/sopa/. Imo this is just the kind of dictator ship they want to protest against.


I think you're missing the point, which is the worry that these sites might disappear due to over-zealous legislators and copyright holders. i.e. they are trying to draw your attention to the fact that what they've done of their own free will today may become commonplace tomorrow.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:15 am reply with quote
WilliamK wrote:
Actually, since we are US based, we care. It could be good or bad, but mostly VERY bad. They could take our site down, and things like that.


This just isn't true. There is nothing in the bills that would threaten KVRAudio.com or any of the Wusik sites. The anti-SOPA/PIPA sites are engaging in fearmongering because they feel their profits from illegal content is being threatened. Don't fall for it. SOPA and PIPA are reasonable steps to protect those who create content.

Look at who is supporting them and who is against them. Those who are for it are those who produce content. Those who are against it are those who produce nothing but seek to profit from the work of others. That should tell you everything you need to know.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:17 am reply with quote
sjm wrote:

I think you're missing the point, which is the worry that these sites might disappear due to over-zealous legislators and copyright holders. i.e. they are trying to draw your attention to the fact that what they've done of their own free will today may become commonplace tomorrow.


This like being against speed limits because you're afraid the police are going to take your car away.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:29 am reply with quote
JJBiener wrote:
This just isn't true. There is nothing in the bills that would threaten KVRAudio.com or any of the Wusik sites. The anti-SOPA/PIPA sites are engaging in fearmongering because they feel their profits from illegal content is being threatened.


That's just the most ridiculous nonsense. Wikipedia isn't (to my knowledge) a prolific copyright infringer, not does it make any profit.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:34 am reply with quote
How far along are these bills? Have they just been proposed by nut job congressmen in the US, or have these bills received second reading and are about to go into law?
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:39 am reply with quote
They're not law yet. There are in fact two different proposals - PIPA and SOPA - currently under discussion.
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PostPosted: Wed Jan 18, 2012 9:39 am reply with quote
sjm wrote:
JJBiener wrote:
This just isn't true. There is nothing in the bills that would threaten KVRAudio.com or any of the Wusik sites. The anti-SOPA/PIPA sites are engaging in fearmongering because they feel their profits from illegal content is being threatened.


That's just the most ridiculous nonsense. Wikipedia isn't (to my knowledge) a prolific copyright infringer, not does it make any profit.


Wikipedia for the most part doesn't create its own content. It operates on an open source model. We don't know (and likely they don't either) at any given time, how much of their content was obtained without permission of the copyright holder and posted by third-parties.
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