the commercial horizon arises with the platform. The day when microsoft is offering a 128 bit windows you can take it for sure that sooner or later all windows software will have to be portet to 128 bit to stay competitive (not matter if it makes sense for your application or not). So that means: on that very day 128 bit is on the commercial horizon.

ps: I don't think whyterabbyt & co you are doing Ohmforce a favour in defending it the way you do.

ps: I don't think whyterabbyt & co you are doing Ohmforce a favour in defending it the way you do.

Hi all,

i'm one of the Ohm Force guys. We've kept a consistent price policy over the years, and there's nothing new with the 64 bit port.

If you consider the VST format alone, we've had several versions : Windows 32 bit, Mac OS 9, Mac OS X PowerPC, Mac OS X Intel 32 bit... and now Mac OS X Intel 64 bit, and Windows 64 bit. Most of the users using the Power PC, for example, have switched to the full version years ago, and can now use the 64 bit version without any additional cost.

You could extend this debate to the Mac versus Windows VST version. No additional functionalities between the two platforms, but still some additional cost.

I can understand some users are frustrated, but i hope they acknowledge there is some additional work required to add the support to 64 bit. Not that our libraries are not thought to be as portable as possible — heck, we've supported Motorola processor and Intel right from the beginning — but there is some work we can't avoid.

To give you an idea, all the inline assembler we've written for the most optimized procedures wouldn't work anymore. We've had to switch to intrinsics (and make more tests). Then, we've had to write a new installer because ours was not working very well with 64 bit Windows. Additionally, we've had to switch from VST 2 to VST 2.4 (VST 2 SDK does not support 64 bit). And it goes on.

Basically, the idea behind the single license versus the full is to have an [even more] affordable price for people who don't need many versions. The full version is better suited on the long run and help us covering the additional costs of maintenance.

Companies have different prices policies, and i'm sure more of our customers upgrading to 64 bit have willingly paid for the upgrade of various components (be it a new computer, a new OS, a new host). It happens Microsoft does sell both versions of Windows 7 (32 and 64 bit) separately, and that the 64 bit support of various hosts have usually come with a new paying version, and part of this upgrade fee covers the costs of the 64 bit port.

Jérôme

Yes, reasoned, informed argument based upon years of practical, commercial experience is not what you want on your side. Better to use glaringly inaccurate statements that scream ignorance, to support your case. Or misinterpret googled facts that are irrelevant.

I can see where your coming from. The mind that pays for a plugin and then only uses a fraction of it.

every argument that can be made has been made many times before
nothing is going to change! and this wont be the last type of forum thread along these lines! and ohmforce are timeless & classic plugins;; youre not going to put even a dent in their business by complaining here

khanyz, what if OhmForce would change their mind because of existing customer discontent and give it away to existing customers to keep folks happy?

Would you become quiet then or would you argue towards a raise of price? Or would you say "battle lost" and move forward?

I kow you're addressing khanyz, but I betcha one thing would have happened if they'd done that from the start...
The same predictable contingent of professional whingers would be complaining that they paid 'extra' to get 64 bit as part of the Pack, and now people were being given it for free...

I love this continued attempt to imply that folk are trying to argue with instead of explain to. I have no horse in the race. Im just telling you that your donkey isnt a horse so cant compete.

He he. The thing is, you're wrong if you assume nobody every changes their mind. There have been lots of times, not always regarding the price model, that the developers change their mind because of users views so please don't assume nothing's gonna change. Often, they like to say they ARE in fact listening to their customers, or do you think they don't?

(Sorry, I just promised I should leave.)

but to answer your point;; of course i know to petition a developer will often yield results. it is almost the reason forums even exist. but when it comes to super common complaints like the one being discussed here (64 bit charge)

But... I think you, as most of us, lack some insight into how OhmForce came to the conclusion and therefore don't include all the parameters in the discussion, and I guess we weigh them differently too. I think you're so damn right in your facts , but that's still not the whole picture to how they got to the conclusion.

Oh, btw, since we now should consider 32-bit and 64-bit to be different formats, will there be a choice of buying 32-bit OR 64-bit versions if you're buying a OhmForce plugin for the first time or will they get it for free?

Ohmicide:Melohman for VST on Windows [64 bit]
OhmBoyz for VST on Windows [32 bit]

On the website? Its there already...

Did I miss something? Is it super common that developers charge for their 64-bit upgrade within the same format? If yes, I promise I stand corrected, but right now I feel you are generalizing a bit too much.