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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:32 pm reply with quote
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I bought Akai's first sampler that way too, with those weird little disks that held one super-short sample each side. It seemed so futuristic back then when most disks were 5 1/4" Smile

Oh this makes me nostalgiac, I miss my AX-73 all the time:



I used to have an AX-73. Loved it - great controller keyboard as well as having that weird mix of analogue with digital controls. It got stolen along with my SH-101 and a Teisco.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:35 pm reply with quote
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braj wrote:
I bought Akai's first sampler that way too, with those weird little disks that held one super-short sample each side. It seemed so futuristic back then when most disks were 5 1/4" Smile

Oh this makes me nostalgiac, I miss my AX-73 all the time:



I used to have an AX-73. Loved it - great controller keyboard as well as having that weird mix of analogue with digital controls. It got stolen along with my SH-101 and a Teisco.


Oh I'm sorry to hear that, I had an SH-101 at that same time.

I loved the AX-73, it felt like I had a Fairlight almost with my C-64 sitting on top Very Happy and running the S-612 samples through the big analog synth. Of course it didn't quite sound like it, but what did I know?
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:50 pm reply with quote
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braj wrote:

I loved the AX-73, it felt like I had a Fairlight almost with my C-64 sitting on top Very Happy and running the S-612 samples through the big analog synth. Of course it didn't quite sound like it, but what did I know?


Akai knew that it had to be big, did you ever look inside? The AX-73 has a tiny little analog voice board; most of the synth is completely empty. I used mine as a controller as well because it was reasonably light (compared to e.g. a Jx10)

It was pretty limited as an analog synth though, the one VCO CEM synth on a chip just doesn't quite cut the mustard. I see one on ebay now for $649 bin, that's funny.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:53 pm reply with quote
Yeah it was simple, but it was nice, and I got it really cheap at the time too. I had a Juno 1 with that dinky KB and no velocity so the AX-73 gave that more range, anyhow I really liked it Smile and it looked good which is what REALLY mattered Razz
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 2:55 pm reply with quote
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Resonator63 wrote:
braj wrote:
I paid more for a rack mount midi delay way back when, and had to walk 10 miles barefoot in the snow to pick it up from the music store. Shocked


At least you were able to make shoes from the box, for the the walk back HiHi


It didn't come in a box! Back then a lot of gear was just 'on the shelf' with little price tags tied on with string!


String + tags = shoes Very Happy

As long as they were big tags or you have very small feet HiHi
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:42 pm reply with quote
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Yeah it was simple, but it was nice, and I got it really cheap at the time too. I had a Juno 1 with that dinky KB and no velocity so the AX-73 gave that more range, anyhow I really liked it Smile and it looked good which is what REALLY mattered Razz


You can say that again, they were dirt cheap a few years ago. I suppose a few more than a few now.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 4:57 pm reply with quote
LeVzi wrote:
Urs wrote:
I think the majority of EDM producers will get wet ears when they hear Arksun's demos:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4912582#491258 2


I know Arksun is a great sound designer, but that's nothing new, and nothing that cannot be achieved in other synths.


That's simply not true mate.

When that lead came in my whole body literally froze up and got goose pimples from head to toe.

That had a depth and lushness to it that is NOT achievable by about 90% of other va's.

And that is MY answer to the others asking, how do you define warmth?

when my body "feels" the sound and seizes up from the pure ecstasy of it.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:16 pm reply with quote
AKJ wrote:
in your response you are missing the second part of the comment: "and nothing that cannot be achieved in other synths". This is exactly my impression.

edit: as I said: I cannot hear that it is any better than other of the good VAs. Maybe, it is just me. But I am only willing to change my mind on the basis of a proof (be it a blind test or physical measurement which is able to show a significant difference)


I actually believe, and i really mean this, as strange as it may sound:

That the sound of diva vs most of the competition is SO easily picked out in a blind test, that people who are anti it, will specifically pick the other synths as diva.
work that one out.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 5:17 pm reply with quote
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Well some people like digital type sounds, and some like analogue type sounds.
Maybe I'm in a minority when I state...I like all kinds of sounds.
Including acoustical.
Using both Zebra and Diva, we who like a wider variety of tones, can have just that.
I also happen to like samples of acoustic instruments, and physical modeling too.
I like super saws, and filter sweeps.
Stop not liking stuff, and open up a bit. Use a freekin pan flute patch on your next dance track, and stop doing the same stuff, using the same sounds you always use. That is to not fear doing something different.
Otherwise all EDM tracks are gonna sound the same as they do now 15 years from now. I mean, they already sound the same as they did 15 years before.
So an unchanging music for 30 years, is a dead music genre.
At least rock music made drastic changes over the years.
I don't see that happening in electronic music...enough.
Long live the suppersawz and lolz.
Just an opinion, so...whatever.


I am exactly the same mate, is that the minority really?

It's just that Diva (and the xils sutff) were missing links to add the last bit of what we didn't have yet, cause we have tons of digital sounding virtual instruments to choose from.
But i LOVE digital sounds, all sorts of sounds, everything!
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 6:11 pm reply with quote
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We also btw. do not sponsor wealthy artists. Even though we get almost as many requests for that as for edu licenses.




see that irks me. they want freebies AND they are wealthy?

they should be happy to hand over their money.

Good on you for sticking to your principles.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 7:05 pm reply with quote
ttoz wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
Urs wrote:
I think the majority of EDM producers will get wet ears when they hear Arksun's demos:

http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4912582#491258 2


I know Arksun is a great sound designer, but that's nothing new, and nothing that cannot be achieved in other synths.


That's simply not true mate.

When that lead came in my whole body literally froze up and got goose pimples from head to toe.

That had a depth and lushness to it that is NOT achievable by about 90% of other va's.

And that is MY answer to the others asking, how do you define warmth?

when my body "feels" the sound and seizes up from the pure ecstasy of it.



It is not on every sound but I agree and have had the same experience... There are some lead sounds from Diva that when they come in are just startling with their immediacy, presence and depth. It is palpable and it is startling because it is so uncommon. Diva has something fairly unique.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 8:30 pm reply with quote
pdxindy wrote:
ttoz wrote:
LeVzi wrote:
Urs wrote:
I think the majority of EDM producers will get wet ears when they hear Arksun's demos:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?p=4912582#491258 2

I know Arksun is a great sound designer, but that's nothing new, and nothing that cannot be achieved in other synths.

That's simply not true mate.
When that lead came in my whole body literally froze up and got goose pimples from head to toe.
That had a depth and lushness to it that is NOT achievable by about 90% of other va's.
And that is MY answer to the others asking, how do you define warmth?
when my body "feels" the sound and seizes up from the pure ecstasy of it.

It is not on every sound but I agree and have had the same experience... There are some lead sounds from Diva that when they come in are just startling with their immediacy, presence and depth. It is palpable and it is startling because it is so uncommon. Diva has something fairly unique.

I feel that what sounds good though, has a lot to do with the ability of the musician or producer doing the track, more so than their skill at sound design.
Hearing a good track, the first thing I think of is their ability to create good music, not their ability at creating sounds.
Someone could make an old casio toy keyboard sound amazing given enough skill at sequencing and production.
Many times the sounds may be suitable for the track presented as a demo or something, but do not fit in with some other genres that well.
Even though the EDM crowd is large at kvr, and the ability to manipulate a sequencer is more important than actually being able to play the keys.
There are still many who play world, jazz, fusion, rock, blues, etc... that do not find EDM or ambient sound demos useful when searching for some sounds to get. I've bought many sounds, and most times, I feel many are just made for sequencing, and do not translate well for playing, using a keyboard.
Not saying that this is the case here though, as it's the LeVzi comment, that made me think of it.
That said, I think I'll get the Arksun Diva set now.
edit: I forgot to mention.
Those Arksun demos are f'ing amazingly great imo...shockingly so.
edit: and bought. Smile
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2012 9:51 pm reply with quote
ttoz wrote:

When that lead came in my whole body literally froze up and got goose pimples from head to toe.

That had a depth and lushness to it that is NOT achievable by about 90% of other va's.

And that is MY answer to the others asking, how do you define warmth?

when my body "feels" the sound and seizes up from the pure ecstasy of it.

The quality of Diva is out of question but the first time i had that feeling you describe with a softsynth was when i tried Sylenth1 at the first release. Recently i had the same feeling while doing sounds for Tone2 Saurus so this is not limited to only Diva. Of course what really blows me away in comparison is when i use my real analog Slim Phatty but that's nothing special for a real analog synth.
The greatest experience of that kind i ever had was when testing the Schmitt Eightvoice mega synth at the Musikmesse. That sounds was going through my whole body, no joke.


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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 1:45 am reply with quote
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ttoz wrote:

When that lead came in my whole body literally froze up and got goose pimples from head to toe.

That had a depth and lushness to it that is NOT achievable by about 90% of other va's.

And that is MY answer to the others asking, how do you define warmth?

when my body "feels" the sound and seizes up from the pure ecstasy of it.

The quality of Diva is out of question but the first time i had that feeling you describe with a softsynth was when i tried Sylenth1 at the first release. Recently i had the same feeling while doing sounds for Tone2 Saurus so this is not limited to only Diva.
Ingo


When Insigna released this short demo I was very impressed, all Synthmaster except the drums:

http://dl.dropbox.com/u/13639983/MoogMarks.mp3

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PostPosted: Fri May 18, 2012 2:00 am reply with quote
I purchased DIVA when it was released. As a softsynth it is very nice. The best I think
But when I jump to using some of my analog synths like an SH101 , MOnopoly , MS20 , Pro-one , CS30, System 100 , Andromeda to name a few ( or my ebbe und flut analog filter ) ....then DIVA does not sound analog to me at all.
Just play one sequence with just the SH101 and you will have to admit that DIVA sounds vey good compared to other plug ins but there still is no analog liveliness in the sounds. Owning just about any serious sofsynth audio unit running on a Ma pro 8core I still prefer to use my analog synths with a Kenton. Only when I am lazy or on the road I use DIVA or Ni , arturia, dcam, refxetc
I would say get yourself an sh101 for 500 euro. in stead of buying several sofsynths that do not nail the sound .....
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