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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:18 pm reply with quote
I just came across this, and was underwhelmed at Cubase's performance compared to some others (even free ones!! - R8BRAIN & EAC3TO)

http://src.infinitewave.ca/

Does the quality of SRC within a host come to play in what goes on internally (behind the scenes), and ultimately the final audio output quality? Or does it only matter during render when changing the sample rate, say 96 to 44.1?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 9:48 pm reply with quote
What is this "SRC" and what exactly is one supposedly looking at in the tests?
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:08 pm reply with quote
SRC = Sample Rate Conversion

The graphs can be a little confusing - reading their help page got me a little better understanding of what I was looking at
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2012 10:51 pm reply with quote
I gave up on SR other than 44.1 a long time ago (many reasons)

I guess that doesn't apply here........
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:27 am reply with quote
At some point you just have to ignore the scientific minutia and ask yourself the only question that really matters... does the music sound good to you? If not, SRC (or dither or ADC timing being off two samples or any of the other minutia that is regularly way overblown) is likely not the cause.

Graphs and charts and tests have a way of distracting you from the really important stuff.

My $0.02 fwiw.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:55 am reply with quote
LawrenceF wrote:
At some point you just have to ignore the scientific minutia and ask yourself the only question that really matters... does the music sound good to you? If not, SRC (or dither or ADC timing being off two samples or any of the other minutia that is regularly way overblown) is likely not the cause.

Graphs and charts and tests have a way of distracting you from the really important stuff.

My $0.02 fwiw.


It's more like your $1000000... Wink People are wasting so much time and energy getting concerned about those issues...As if worrying about them made the actual music any better.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 11:53 am reply with quote
it matters if you can hear it. Shrug I tend to be real skeptical about maths such as that presentation having that much meaning in the concrete.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:02 pm reply with quote
I'll bet 50 quatloos that before this thread is over at least 5 know assailants will have jumped in to personally insult anyone who DARES say there is any difference.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 12:07 pm reply with quote
LawrenceF wrote:
At some point you just have to ignore the scientific minutia and ask yourself the only question that really matters... does the music sound good to you? If not, SRC (or dither or ADC timing being off two samples or any of the other minutia that is regularly way overblown) is likely not the cause.

Graphs and charts and tests have a way of distracting you from the really important stuff.

My $0.02 fwiw.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 2:21 pm reply with quote
Some even very expensive DAWs are known to perform poorly at SRC. Can you actually hear that? Maybe not. But if it makes you sleep better (or if you're into producing music for audiophiles), might as well use a freebie that does a better job. Shrug Foobar+SoX plugin makes this process very simple.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 3:12 pm reply with quote
I can hear it, I can hear a bird fart in outer Mongolia and I live in kalifornia.
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 6:52 pm reply with quote
The site talked about audio smearing, blurring and loss of clarity with poor sample rate conversion, but you guys say "meh, so what". It also talked about how SRCs are going on in the background within a DAW all the time. This poor SRC doesn't add up...doesn't matter?
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2012 7:03 pm reply with quote
Don't listen to my sarcastic and failed attempts at humor. I wish I knew what it meant myself.
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 1:24 am reply with quote
be happy if you can't hear aliasing!

i left reason because of it. it may have improved since then.

cubase uses different src qualities depending on what it does. generally full quality is expensive and therefor not that good an idea for things like samplers or scrubbing.

also please look at what levels the colors mean, they are more important than the aliasing-vs-noise-structure itself..
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PostPosted: Thu May 10, 2012 2:24 pm reply with quote
frankly the whole exercise reads like someone looking for a solution to a problem they don't actually have.
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