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mcnoone wrote: Atardecer wrote: I'd like to know who these so-called pros are. I've had to use pretty much all of the major DAWs in my job and I know most of them pretty well. In my humble experience, I found Logic to be OK. No better or worse. It has some nifty features but lacks others. The price is right though. Actually the DAW that made me unexpectedly salivating was Studio One V2. For me, it kinda took many of the features of other DAWs that I Like (most notably Cubase and Ableton Live) and rolled them into one. But thats just me.
It would seem then, that you aren't concerned with the "plugins" that a daw has already included. Logics, plugins and samples, are not just "ok". They are some of the best plugins available anywhere in my opinion and the opinion of many others, regardless of whether they are professionals or amateurs. There, are few synths, samplers, or fx that sound as good, for the same price range, and out of any other daw. Studio One2 has some serious cpu usage issues from what I've read about it. I'm now looking into ProTools to see what plugins it includes, and it looking actually pretty thin, in comparison to Logics plugins, at the moment. Live only includes plugins with the suite or buying separately, and all of them at an expense much greater than the current LogicPro price. It sounds like your opinion is not based on that of a long time user, but of a short time user. Which doesn't really give us a good idea of why it's just ok. As every daw, to someone unfamiliar with it's inner workings, is just ok, as they simply never learned to use it, and to sound more than OK using it. Lets just ignore the OP's "professionals" for a minute, then realize that Apple has some serious numbers, of increased sales with this daw, and with 2 good reasons. It's cheaper than most. It's better than most. The only ones I've heard disliking it, are non apple computer owners, (in which case I don't even understand why they would post in an apple thread, except to flame-bait) and people who never take the time to learn how to use it, or even tried using it for more than one track, if that. No Im not really concerned with the plugins it has as I have a set of third party stuff I always use. Of course, this is a consideration for many people so it shouldnt be underestimated as part of the Logic package:) In comparison, I love Cubase especially but its plugins are rather mediocre. Ableton, for me, has the best and most creative set of plugs. Logic certainly is cheaper than most. Better? Its a completely subjective answer depending on your needs and working style. For me in particular, it does not suit me. I find its MIDI capabilities not quite up there with Cubase, as an example. Im just saying I havent come across anything revolutionary and quite a bit that seems ironically 'illogical', not that you expect a revolution from your DAW of course. Im both and Apple and PC user, and I love certain things about their products, but dislike others. Both are in evidence in Logic. As far as bang for buck though, I think Logic is one of the best. Maybe Im not a very long time user and my opinion reflects that but I would say the same regarding your take on Studio One. Its one thing to say youve heard talk and another to say youve experienced it first hand. I've not experienced such issues you speak of, in fact Ive found it to be quite streamlined and efficient, both on PC and Mac. I would definitely rate Logic over Pro Tools however, especially for the folk that typically frequent KVR. Pro Tools is maginficent for many traditional recording tasks, especially audio editing to picture, but a dogs breakfast for MIDI based music. I've always been forced to use PT at film dubs and found it a lifesaver, but I'd never use it for making music as such. But each to their own 
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I think it's not important what tools you use.
There are people who did magnificient tracks with just a kurzweil k2000 and a kitchen radio. You are a "Pro" when people say you are and your work and sound is pro. No matter what software you use. And regarding sound it is a matter of DA-converters. ---- Music is a psychic phenomenon. So that the melodic image sensed in the outer world is only a reflection of our psychic activity in the mirror of sound. |
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I agree. Its not the stuff IN the computer, but the dude (or dudette) in front of it.
And regarding pro/not pro, those who earn money on their music is pro in my eyes. |
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kae wrote: I agree. Its not the stuff IN the computer, but the dude (or dudette) in front of it.
And regarding pro/not pro, those who earn money on their music is pro in my eyes. Yep. Probably the truest and simplest reply in this thread...agreed. |
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I don't know about the whole "it's not the tool, it's the user" thing. That assumes that every user is as tolerant & has as much time as every other user. That's obviously not the case. People are different. Luckily there are a lot of different tools. But bugs are bugs & bad design is bad design. If it bothers someone, that's kinda legit. I'll tell you what impresses me as far as "it's the user" though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhp6P9Ygsoc |
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Jace-BeOS wrote: I don't know about the whole "it's not the tool, it's the user" thing. That assumes that every user is as tolerant & has as much time as every other user. That's obviously not the case. People are different. Luckily there are a lot of different tools. [b]But bugs are bugs & bad design is bad design. If it bothers someone, that's kinda legit.
Thank you for understanding. In fact, I have a pretty bug-free environment. But the cost is that midi is woefully underdone in reaper and it's hoops to get from point a to be. Again, please forgive my frustration as the devs have made it clear (by not participating in the thousands of pleas not having any significant midi improvements in MONTHS) they are not interested. I'd like to be wrong. But it's hard, and sad. Last edited by hibidy on Sun Jun 03, 2012 1:11 am; edited 1 time in total |
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Jace-BeOS wrote: I don't know about the whole "it's not the tool, it's the user" thing. That assumes that every user is as tolerant & has as much time as every other user. That's obviously not the case. People are different. Luckily there are a lot of different tools. But bugs are bugs & bad design is bad design. If it bothers someone, that's kinda legit. I'll tell you what impresses me as far as "it's the user" though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhp6P9Ygsoc
Oh man, does that guy suck!  |
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I mean, Ableton is a great program, it really can trigger creativity in a way no other program can, that's why most people use it for this purpose and mix/master it with Logic, because it's more of a complete package, the plugins are way better and that's why people might think that the sound just sounds better  but let me tell you this, it's not about WHAT you use, it's how you use it.
I heard a lot of finished tracks made in Ableton only, so don't look at what other people do, you're the artist, and therefore you should know better ---- 80's Funk is Back my friends! |
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braj wrote: Jace-BeOS wrote: I don't know about the whole "it's not the tool, it's the user" thing. That assumes that every user is as tolerant & has as much time as every other user. That's obviously not the case. People are different. Luckily there are a lot of different tools. But bugs are bugs & bad design is bad design. If it bothers someone, that's kinda legit. I'll tell you what impresses me as far as "it's the user" though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lhp6P9Ygsoc
Oh man, does that guy suck! tuned to perfection   |
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Jace-BeOS wrote: I don't know about the whole "it's not the tool, it's the user" thing.
I think I do...at least I'd rather listen to this than a monkey with a stradivarius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ik8jICj8juc&feature=youtube_g data_player Cheers |
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Sometimes the tool is "the user" (like a session guitarist) and sometimes the user is a tool (thinking of that damn session guitarist again) |
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