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Hey guys,
Looking at getting some gear this week..I've heard krk are generally the speakers people use, why? What are some brands and models I should be looking out for?I'm looking at spending something around $1,000 for monitors and looking to do electronic/progressive music. Cheers. |
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KRKs are most certainly not the speakers people generally use. They are often used by beginners as they're cheaper than most other monitor speakers, but that's for a reason. The RP (rokit) series are just rubbish in comparison to a good set of monitors.
It's probably worth trying to find a used set of Adam A7Xs in your pricerange, I can't see you doing better for the money. |
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Have you read this?
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=105338&start=0 A bit dated, but it's a good starter thread, made "sticky" for a purpose 
Nathn wrote: I've heard krk are generally the speakers people use, why? Because for the price they deliver fine monitors.
Nathn wrote: What are some brands and models I should be looking out for? First you should decide how big they should be. With woofers of 6" and more you might not need an extra subwoofer. That is, in a small room (say 4x3 meters.) Usually 5" woofers don't provide enough bass. Also 8" woofers in a small room are a bit overkill.
Now some brands & models: * KRK RP5 or RP6 G2 * KRK VXT 6 * ADAM A5X or A7X * Yamaha HS50M * Tannoy Reveal 501A * Alesis Monitor One Active 520 * Behringer TRUTH B1030A * Genelec 8020 BP or 6010APM You see the choice is overwhelming. None are perfect. You want a pair that reproduces music in a neutral way: no exagerrated bass!! IMHO the ONLY proper way to chose is to go to a REAL shop and LISTEN to them. Would you buy shoes without fitting first? Nathn wrote: I'm looking at spending something around $1,000 for monitors and looking to do electronic/progressive music. $1000 is a sufficient budget, I'd even say far too much for a beginner. I'd say start with a cheap pair that is good enough. Replace them in some years when you have a better understanding of what to look for exactly. But then chances are, like with shoes, you have gotten used to the pair you have.---- We are the KVR collective. Resistance is futile. You will be assimilated. 
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Adam A7 all the way for detail. Maybe with a Sub7 or Sub8 for enhanced bass. |
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I actually listened to the Behringer TRUTH monitors and I didn't mind them.. not really comparing it to a lot at the time, but still didn't seem to bad.
I mentioned the brand Behringer to someone and they said stay away.. I know it all personal choice but is the brand known to be not that great or something? Cheers |
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Behringer TRUTHs has gotten favorable reviews (i'm talking about the previous ones, NOT the new ones with the ribbon tweeter, havent read anything about those, but if they as they say continue the development, they should be good - however might not comparatively be as good in that price range anymore), and seem like a good choice. I was considering those when i was buying monitors, but saw a good deal on a pair of Alesis 620s, so i bought them instead. Behringer make cheaper stuff than most, but it's still generally good stuff for the money (according to several reviewers), not cheap and sucky. Obviously, comparing Behringer with $2000-monitors, you will hear the difference. ---- "I didn't lose my mind, it was mine to give away." |
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If you've got $1000 to spend, then spend it.
Your monitoring setup is the only piece of equipment you'll buy that will make an immediate difference to the quality of your mixes. Behringer truths are fine for the money, good in fact, but you can buy better with your budget. |
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I am shocked when I see pictures of peoples studios to see their $2000+ monitors sitting on their desk.
Whatever you get consider getting some proper speaker stands, the needn't cost more than 100 quid and you can fill them with sand etc, you can get little cones or pads or whatever, I am sure of this though, sitting them on your desk really distorts their sound. I found that it sucked out the bass in particular. I demoed a lot of speakers a while back, I liked the Genelecs as being pretty ordinary sounding, found the Adams too bright and I've read about mediocre build quality. My favourates were the PMC's, but they are very expensive. The new Dynaudios at the time were really good too, forget the model, 6 or something? I don't rate KRK's very highly from my memory, but they might do you fine. For cheap I'd recommend Genelec, they are relatively cheap. ---- Aiynzahev-sounds Resonance Sound Sound Designer - Soundsets for Massive, LuSH, DIVA, DUNE, Sylenth and others |
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I compared several monitors in the past. Here's the thread where I originally posted:
http://www.kvraudio.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=227329&highlig ht=adam and here is the quote: himalaya wrote: I have just gone through an update recently and have auditioned several monitors amongst them the Dynaudio BM5A and Adam A7.
Both, very nice monitors, has to be said. I would say that to my ears the BM5A'sbass response is slightly overstated. I played all types of music through these, and for example, the acoustic guitar was 'enveloped' in too much bass for my liking. It was a sound I didn't associate with a well recorded acoustic guitar. Whereas, the Adams were more natural. However, dance tracks were grooving very nicely on the BM5A's. I've read comments that the Adams don't have enough bass. I think they do. The Drum&Bass and Dub reference tracks I played were reproduced with deep and solid bass. Can't complain. I also had a few specialist test tones on my reference CD which helped to confirm what the music tracks already told me; and the bass on the Adam is there ( they go down to 48Hz at -3dB, BTW). I would say, the A7's are just more brutal (in a good sense), and so if the track is mixed/mastered with inadequate bass, they will show that, and the opposite is true as well ( at least that's what I had observed listening to my reference tracks). Granted, when playing well produced dance music on the BMA5's, the instant bass gratification and the wow factor is greater than on the Adam's. There's also a difference in the high frequency response on both. Here, I couldn't decide, prefering the more silky sound of the Dynaudios on some tracks. The DM5A have a beautiful top end. Really liked it. The Adams sounded more 'alive', a bit overstated, but at the same time very natural, which I also liked. Another way to describe the difference; the Dynaudios were more hifi, and the Adam's like a visit to a dentist that you love... In the end, for my needs I chose the A7's ( 'cause I need to see my dentist lol). I tend to mix at low volumes and the extra clarity of the A7's is welcomed. If you mainly produce electronica , you will be very happy with the overstated bass on the Dynaudios and perhaps a more silky top end. I produce anything from acoustic to electronic and have to have something as natural sounding as possible (for my budget) so the Adam's fit the bill. The other monitors I had a listen to were: Genelec 8030 - compared to A7's they have equally solid and full bass response but it did sound different. Perhaps due to the rear porting. The mids were a bit too honky for me. Too forward sounding. Tascam Vl-5A - I had to have a listen to these as I have (again) read so many favourable comments all over the net for the older VL-X5. The tascam's were a real dissapontment. I thought I could save some money and walk away with a pair of monitors for £200. They sounded very 'shallow'. The bass frequency response is quoted as 38Hz. I do not believe that for one minute. The exploding bass on some of the Drum&Bass tracks that were reproduced so beautifully on the Adam's and Genelec's ( and overdone on the Dynaudios) just wasn't there. Overall, when listening to the Tascam's side by side with the other big guns, I felt they had a 'veiled' sound I couldn't trust. Yamaha HS50 - just to hear a completely different sound to Dynaudio's and Adam's, which it obviously was. Now, having written all that, I hope none of it is taken seriously and you will arrive at your own opinion after having auditioned these yourself. 
BTW. I do like the way the Adams look. In the flesh they are very nice , better looking than in pictures. They are also very deep but narrow, so they fit on my work space perfectly.
Hope this helps. Keep in mind, that I find the bass response in the Adams good, it may not be for your needs. Same with the high end, I find it's great as it helps me to hear more into the mix, but others may translate that as 'fatiguing' (there are switches at the back which can reduce the high frequencies - I've left mine at the default position though). My feeling however, is that the Dynaudio BM5A would be very suitable for your needs and music style. Quote: I've read about mediocre build quality.
The Adam A7s have excellent built quality. |
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himalaya wrote: Keep in mind, that I find the bass response in the Adams good, it may not be for your needs. In fact as i produce electronic and "bass" stuff, to have more bass response, with adams A7 (i've the older model, not the A7X) a Sub7/Sub8 is a good companion. I love the "surgical" detail response of the Adams, so i prefer a pair of A7 with an added sub than a pair of Dynaudio with more bass response. |
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Since you are new to making music and not looking out to be a mastering engineer, i'd suggest buying a pair of Yamaha HSM80 ~ies plus a very good headphone like the Shure 840. I know many people using those and releasing records on beatport. ---- Hello. Is it you I'm looking for? |
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cyphersuit wrote: I know many people using those and releasing records on beatport.
Ah yes, the crucible of excellence that is Beatport releases. |
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Nathn wrote: I actually listened to the Behringer TRUTH monitors and I didn't mind them.. not really comparing it to a lot at the time, but still didn't seem to bad.
I mentioned the brand Behringer to someone and they said stay away.. I know it all personal choice but is the brand known to be not that great or something? Cheers I have a older pair of em they are actually not that bad but the reason people say stay away is because they have poor quality control. someone I know also has the same model speakers as the ones I have and his suck. like they suck really bad. I also measured and treated the room so these actually have a flat response here. and they translate really well but I also have other monitors both for hype crap listening and accurate flat listening. |
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BertKoor wrote: Now some brands & models: * KRK RP5 or RP6 G2 * KRK VXT 6 * ADAM A5X or A7X * Yamaha HS50M * Tannoy Reveal 501A * Alesis Monitor One Active 520 * Behringer TRUTH B1030A * Genelec 8020 BP or 6010APM Of all the mentioned ones, some fedback: GENELEC are too "muddy" sounding IMO, and don't represent a good stereo image. In terms of Yamaha, nothing smaller than HS80 for active ones (better lowend due to larger cone). I generally recommend larger cones for the lower frequency section. The Behringer Truth 1030A are fairly old, and only 5" cone. I recommend to go at least 2031A (normal carbon tweeter, up to 22kHz) or 3031A right from the start (ribbon as tweeter, up to 32kHz). Same with the ADAM A5X and A7X. Both use a ribbon as tweeter, but the "sub" cone is larger with the 7X. I'd say, for your budget, get either the HS80M or the TRUTH 3031A and some Beyerdynamic DT990 Pro headphones. You can set the monitor speakers up to your needs and they're powerful enough for nearfield stuff (heck, even mid field). Calibrating is essential however. One thing to know: the "auto off" mode of the Behringer Truth is sh*t (shuts off even at low level signal) - don't use that mode. I have a pair of TRUTHs myself, so I can relate. |
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cyphersuit wrote: Since you are new to making music and not looking out to be a mastering engineer, i'd suggest buying a pair of Yamaha HSM80 ~ies plus a very good headphone like the Shure 840. I know many people using those and releasing records on beatport.
I agree. I disagree with the advice to spend all of your $1000 on monitors or to get super picky about it at this stage of the game. Cyphersuit is giving you excellent and SPECIFIC advice. The HSM80s are appropriate and will get the job done for you. Do not buy the HSM50s, they are inappropriate for dance music; I say that from experience. Also, I would avoid using a subwoofer. I have found that subwoofers just confuse the mixing issue. Also, don't waste your energy looking all over the place for different brands; if this thread goes long enough, every brand will be recommended. |
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