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How often do you use envelope followers for sound design, mixing, etc. ?

Every project
1
13%
Often
2
25%
Never
2
25%
What's an envelope follower?
3
38%
 
Total votes : 8
KVRer
 
17 posts since 4 May, 2012

Postby Unaspected; Mon Dec 03, 2012 1:14 pm Envelope Followers

I'd like to get a better idea of people's usage of envelope followers and how important they are in everyone's workflow.

Personally, I probably wouldn't want to mix without them. They are half the fun of mixing, which is why I use them on every mixing project. Envelope followers are also very useful for getting an extra element of life out of guitar amp simulations. They allow for sonic relationships to be created; where sounds react to each other proportionately.

How do you use envelope followers in your work?

If you don't use envelope followers, could you give a reason for this decision.


Thank you for your time. :)
KVRAF
 
5178 posts since 23 May, 2002, from Tutukaka, New Zealand

Postby kritikon; Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:03 am

Voted rarely. Although rarely really does mean once in a very blue moon. I just don't see the need for them. If a drum doesn't have a decent transient, then I probably need to pick a better sample that hasn't already been destroyed. If a synth doesn't sound snappy enough, then I need to use a different synth with a faster envelope (one of the real benefits of some analogue synths IMO). And for any other type of synthesised sound, there are envelopes galore already inside the synth. Basically, if I need to snap up my transients, it's most likely because I've already killed them with too much compression etc. So I should dial back on the compression instead of adding another processing layer. Not saying envelope followers don't have uses, but basic mixing can usually sort out what they do. And personally, I'd rather spend time on the mix and its elements than complicating things further with an env follower. :shrug:
KVRer
 
17 posts since 4 May, 2012

Postby Unaspected; Tue Dec 04, 2012 7:41 am

kritikon wrote:Voted rarely. Although rarely really does mean once in a very blue moon. I just don't see the need for them. If a drum doesn't have a decent transient, then I probably need to pick a better sample that hasn't already been destroyed. If a synth doesn't sound snappy enough, then I need to use a different synth with a faster envelope (one of the real benefits of some analogue synths IMO). And for any other type of synthesised sound, there are envelopes galore already inside the synth. Basically, if I need to snap up my transients, it's most likely because I've already killed them with too much compression etc. So I should dial back on the compression instead of adding another processing layer. Not saying envelope followers don't have uses, but basic mixing can usually sort out what they do. And personally, I'd rather spend time on the mix and its elements than complicating things further with an env follower. :shrug:


That's interesting. So you mostly view envelope followers as a transient shaping tool, rather than a source of parameter modulation.

Indeed, for the purposes you have listed, I would probably employ a compressor or tweak the envelope controlling the VCA of the synth I am using.

Thank you for contributing. :)
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KVRian
 
1247 posts since 11 Oct, 2007
 

Postby Perimeter Sound; Tue Dec 04, 2012 8:04 am

Sorry, I thought this was a thread about my mailman. :wink:
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KVRer
 
17 posts since 4 May, 2012

Postby Unaspected; Fri Dec 07, 2012 12:29 pm

Perimeter Sound wrote:Sorry, I thought this was a thread about my mailman. :wink:


Hehe. Though maybe he's more of an envelope facilitator.

I'm starting to wonder if I should have posted in the DSP section - or maybe people don't think about envelope followers as much as I expected.
KVRian
 
939 posts since 12 Jan, 2010, from Copenhagen

Postby TwoToneshuzz; Fri Dec 07, 2012 1:01 pm

Envelope Followers are important!

Filterscape by u-he has envelope followers that can be used to modulate the frequence response.

Trash 2 uses envelope followers to form the sound again through modulation of the filters response curve.

I've used Envlope Follwers to control a VCA in Numerology in my homemade wavetable synth. I patched a loop of some modulation waveforms to create my own custome LFO.

I'm sure there are many interesting applications yet to be discoverd with envelope followers.


My first experience with an envelope follower was when using the ensoniq DP4 for it's Wah effect. I suppos envelope followers can be used in getting the talking guitar effect as well.

Yes I love the idea of envelope followers creating modulation values. It makes sense to have modulations follow the level of the incoming signal.
waves break, but somehow it all makes sense.
KVRist
 
88 posts since 29 Mar, 2009

Postby seacouch; Tue Dec 11, 2012 11:05 am

Unaspected wrote:I'd like to get a better idea of people's usage of envelope followers and how important they are in everyone's workflow.

Personally, I probably wouldn't want to mix without them. They are half the fun of mixing, which is why I use them on every mixing project. Envelope followers are also very useful for getting an extra element of life out of guitar amp simulations. They allow for sonic relationships to be created; where sounds react to each other proportionately.

How do you use envelope followers in your work?

If you don't use envelope followers, could you give a reason for this decision.


Thank you for your time. :)



I'm curious to hear how you use them, what tools you use, etc. Thanks!

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