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Creating rich enormous choir sounds.
Agathodaimon
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:16 am reply with quote
Alright my main VST's are Spectrasonics Omnisphere, Trillian and iZotope Iris.
those two combined just give me an incredible and unlimited range of sound possibilities every single time.

But i have come a across small problem.
I am working on a project right now, and I need some massive, rich, just BIG choir singing, but here's the deal, I want the choir to sing what i write them down to sing. ye? But cant really gather 30 people and ask them to sing for me xD. I just dont have the people or time or place for that kind of thing and then setting up all the mic's and etc etc.

So if anyone can help with a VST that could do that or any other ideas??
I really need this Razz
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 3:37 am reply with quote
You could try to use a vocoder.
Sing the words with your own voice and use that as carrier for a choir patch.... it might work
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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:07 am reply with quote
Maybe REQUIEM from Tonehammer could do this. The only problem is that Tonehammer is no more and I couldn't find a site where you could try/buy it. Damn, that thing was impressive.

Edit: Found the new host: http://8dio.com/?btp_product=requiem-pro

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PostPosted: Fri Dec 14, 2012 6:14 am reply with quote
Requiem has basic phrase building, but it's latin iirc.

The only plugin that comes close to what you want is EWQL Symphonic Choirs as far as I know. It has a word builder function, although I have no idea how well it performs these days.
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Agathodaimon
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:20 am reply with quote
hey thanks guys, actually latin would work perfect!!

its just a shame theres no demo for the software. to try it out before you buy it
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Ben H
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 12:54 am reply with quote
There are 2 absolutely amazing sounding choir libraries that have just been released recently:

Virharmonic - Voices of Prague and StrezovSampling - STORM CHOIR - Epic Chamber Choir (website coming soon)

Interesting discussions and audio demos of each here:

Voices of Prague: http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28775

STORM CHOIR: http://www.vi-control.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=28948
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:29 am reply with quote
I've managed to pull off a choir by overdubbing my own voice 5 times and then for each recording adding two more copies with slight amounts of pitch shifting. Then I panned and mixed everything.

https://www.box.com/s/e6pbhx80zsht2c3d298r

Sorry if it sounds somewhat bad. It was a rushed experiment.

You could combine a choir soundfont/sample library with an overdubbed choir to get a more massive sounding choir.
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Ben H
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:50 am reply with quote
There's also a shareware VST called Clone Ensemble which can build ensembles from a single voice.

Audio examples posted on the link above. Oh, and it has a demo version to try too.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 1:52 am reply with quote
Very old but still does a good job (depends on your source material):
cloneensemble
http://www.cloneensemble.com/audio/cloneens.mp3

Edit: Ben beat me to it! Wink
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:04 am reply with quote
Clone Ensemble - highly recommended!
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:17 am reply with quote
Clone Ensemble can do an amazing job, assuming you can already sing really, really well. Just check out the demo songs and you'll see what I mean!

I've never used the EastWest library, but it was used to compose the current opening of the SonicTalk podcast. I think it sounds pretty damn good, and you can make it sing whatever you want.
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 2:58 am reply with quote
If I was feeling adventurous, I'd seek out local singers (students), say one woman and one man and do a recording session with them. For a short music passage it wouldn't take a long time (provided that all necessary recording equipment is available) and the fee could be kept to a minimum. Each singer could be asked to sing the text several times each time using different intonation. Then, the result could be manipulated by Clone Ensemble, which I'm confident would be able to extract a realistic choir from those vocals. With some reverb and suitable mix placement of the resultant 'choir', it could sound just great (I'd imagine!).

It would be much cheaper to hire these students and buy a license of Clone Ensmeble than budget for a high end choir lib (provided that a suitable mic, mixer or voice channel/computer interface, plus two pairs of 'closed back' headphones are already available). The main benfit of this approach is the control over the text and correct pronunciation as well as the emotional impact that a live singer can add.

Anyway, I'm just thinking out loud...Just another way of doing it... Smile
(it could be absolutely abysmal in the end result, who knows, but then again it could produce pure gold).
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PostPosted: Mon Dec 17, 2012 3:01 am reply with quote
dalor wrote:
Very old but still does a good job (depends on your source material):
cloneensemble
http://www.cloneensemble.com/audio/cloneens.mp3

Edit: Ben beat me to it! Wink


That's pretty cool, actually.

I have a V-Synth XT. It has a "Vocal Designer" mode that basically is a vocoder over choirs and voices (mostly sampled voices). It's not exactly convincing, but it's fun to play with. Especially the patch Femme [uh... something], which is a very nice female single vocalist. I spent a few hours making that vocalist and some choirs sing rude statements and profanities. Because what else is it for. HiHi

But that clone ensemble sounds like even more potential juvenile fun Laughing
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