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January Contest: Gossip

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kryptonaut
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Postby kryptonaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 1:42 am

spirulence wrote:Retrospective 2012:
More mathy than enjoyable for me. I fully expect that I will take time to figure out how you encoded those various things, though. :)


Thanks for the comment. I should probably have said 'referenced' rather than 'encoded', some of the mappings are less rigorous than others!


mellotronaut wrote:it's not a Waltz though, but either a so called Zwiefacher, which alters fastly between 3/4 and 2/4. it is used mainly in Bavarian folk music.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zwiefacher
or simply a 5/4 rhythm.


Interesting to read about Zwiefacher rhythms, thanks for the link - must try that some time! But I can't hear ClaRago's entry as anything other than 3/4 time. Am I listening to it in the wrong way?
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mellotronaut
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Postby mellotronaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:14 am

kryptonaut wrote:I can't hear ClaRago's entry as anything other than 3/4 time. Am I listening to it in the wrong way?


partly yes: try to dance a Waltz to it! you'll find 'one two one two three, one two one two three etc.'

ClaRago wrote:I sort of realised it was not a proper waltz as it was going poum-poum-poum poum-poum .


:)

maybe a good topic for next month's contest: ¡do the Zwiefacher! :hihi: :oops:
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kryptonaut
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Postby kryptonaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 3:41 am

mellotronaut wrote:try to dance a Waltz to it! you'll find 'one two one two three, one two one two three etc.'

maybe a good topic for next month's contest: ¡do the Zwiefacher! :hihi: :oops:


Hmmm... what I hear is closer to 'ONE two AND three ONE TWO THREE', so still fitting into a 3/4 signature, and quite waltzable-to. The score linked from the Wikipedia Zwiefacher page is rather different: Schaufelstiel (pdf)

But yes, a Zwiefacher theme would be interesting :)

[Edit:] 'Golden Brown' by The Stranglers is something that I would say had 'Zwiefacher' sections to it. 1 2 3, 1 2 3, 1 2 3, 1 2, 1 2, ... I remember it being very hard to dance to when I was a student, but that may have been because of the beer :D
ClaRago
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Postby ClaRago; Thu Jan 10, 2013 5:52 am

Sorry for having started a "time signature war". It confirmed me however into getting serious with one of my new year's resolutions which is to take some music theory lessons .I am a bit embarrassed of not being able to confirm the signature of my own submission.
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kryptonaut
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Postby kryptonaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:29 am

War? Nah, just a friendly discussion between a couple of 'nauts :lol:

Theory can be interesting, but knowing theory isn't essential to making good music. I suppose sometimes it might be useful when talking about it, though! :) Anyway, it's certainly not something to feel embarrassed about.
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Postby mellotronaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 6:56 am

kryptonaut wrote:War? Nah, just a friendly discussion between a couple of 'nauts :lol:


exactly. i love me some '-nauts' :love: :hihi:

kryptonaut wrote:Theory can be interesting, but knowing theory isn't essential to making good music. I suppose sometimes it might be useful when talking about it, though! :) Anyway, it's certainly not something to feel embarrassed about.


that's it.

i agree mostly on 'Golden Brown', but there is also some ordinary 4/4 going on, imo.

:D
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ClaRago
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Postby ClaRago; Thu Jan 10, 2013 7:48 am

According to songfacts.com:
The intro (and the parts like it) sound like three bars of 3/4, then one of 4/4, with the rest just straight 3/4 like a waltz.
I do not know ,a great song anyway.

Kryptonaut , you actually attempted to dance to that tune? Did you waltz or did you zwiefach?
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mellotronaut
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Postby mellotronaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:13 am

ClaRago wrote:According to songfacts.com:
The intro (and the parts like it) sound like three bars of 3/4, then one of 4/4, with the rest just straight 3/4 like a waltz.
I do not know ,a great song anyway.


this means: onetwothreeonetwothreeonetwothreeonetwoonetwo (Zwiefacher) and then Waltz

ClaRago wrote:Kryptonaut , you actually attempted to dance to that tune? Did you waltz or did you zwiefach?


well, he waltzed a nauty zwie :-o :party:

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kryptonaut
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Postby kryptonaut; Thu Jan 10, 2013 8:25 am

I think I lurched drunkenly from one foot to the other in a rhythmically complex and ever-changing pattern, probably completely unrelated to the song's time-signature. :)

Actually, on reflection I'm now wondering whether your song would be better described as 6/8... :help:
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Mister Natural
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Postby Mister Natural; Fri Jan 11, 2013 11:45 pm

wrestling with a new piece this month & all I can say here is "arghhh !"
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ClaRago
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Postby ClaRago; Sat Jan 12, 2013 2:01 am

Mister Natural wrote:wrestling with a new piece this month & all I can say here is "arghhh !"

Glad to see you back anyway. You still have a few days to sort it out.

@ ..nauts & co
This what my friend who is a piano & singing teacher had to say:

"I have just listened to the waltz and if I had to give it a time signature, I would have given it a compound duple time one ie 6/8. More a duple feel than triple, which is why I would not give it the traditional waltz time signature. "

I wish you all a good week end full of music , waltzing, lurching or whatever you feel like.
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Postby mellotronaut; Sat Jan 12, 2013 3:32 am

ClaRago wrote:@ ..nauts & co
This what my friend who is a piano & singing teacher had to say:

"I have just listened to the waltz and if I had to give it a time signature, I would have given it a compound duple time one ie 6/8. More a duple feel than triple, which is why I would not give it the traditional waltz time signature. "

I wish you all a good week end full of music , waltzing, lurching or whatever you feel like.
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sounds like a compromise between the nauty boys :hihi:

cheers :)
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Aziraphal
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Postby Aziraphal; Sun Jan 13, 2013 4:19 am

Yay, my wonderful family ran away to granma's and left me to record some epic (and very loud) choirs in peace. (neighbors' peace is another matter but I guess the walls are thick enough).

And never mind the latin bollocios, the ditty will now bear the catchy title of Triskaidekaphobia! :D

Cheers Matt
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Mister Natural
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Postby Mister Natural; Mon Jan 14, 2013 5:31 pm

I'm in !

I think my piece tells the story for me of a dis-quieting moon

comments appreciated on my SoundCloud page

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Soughtafter Sounds
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Postby Soughtafter Sounds; Tue Jan 15, 2013 9:44 am

Thank you Irion Da Ronin for your comments it means a lot :)

With this being the first time in entering the competition, I would just like to say "Hi all" and happy to be part of the great & welcoming atmosphere on KVR.
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