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by Sendy; Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:11 am
Now I've tried pitchfunk and pitchwheel and neither really jumped out at me like the sampler pitching did. My demo with pitchfunk was limited since I forgot about it (I was a bit underwhelmed when I first tried it, I'd like to try again, but the demo ist kaput).
Pitchwheel does a great job preserving transients and provides formant shifting as well, but has a lot less sound mangling options other than that. It just doesn't sound "heavy" when you go down like the sampler/tracker does. I've tried coupling the formants or leaving them fixed. It sounds excellent for what it does but it just doesn't take me "there".
I'm in half a mind to just get pitchfunk and spend more time with it, but then I wonder if pitchwheel would be better because of it's treatment of transients. Maybe I just haven't demoed them properly.
Does anyone have any experience with these plugins and/or getting this kind of sound out of them?
by ariston; Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:28 am
I'm pretty sure Dave will grant you some more demo time if you write him an e-mail.
As for an alternative, the obvious one that comes to mind is AD's Discord 3. It is good for setting up something quickly - Pitchfunk needs a bit more attention, although the presets are very good starting points.
by justin3am; Sun Jan 20, 2013 10:50 am
If you just want to change the pitch of a break beat but not the speed, process the sample with an transient shapper and pitch shifter (I use U-He's Uhbik G, Sound Toys' Crystalizer, Guitar Rig's pitch shifters and an Eventide Pitch Factor) in parallel. Use the transient shaper to get rid of the decay stages of each drum hit. This way you are layering the pitch shifted signal with just the attack parts of the dry signal. This will help to preserve the punch without sounding obviously layered.
Or you could use something like Ableton Live or Recycle to slice your breaks. It all depends on what kind of sound you are looking for.
by Sendy; Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:30 am
I guess what I'm really asking is: what is the most punchy and dynamic pitch shifter?
by Sendy; Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:50 am
NAD wrote:Sendy wrote:I guess what I'm really asking is: what is the most punchy and dynamic pitch shifter?
What did you use on "TELEPORT, MARIO!"?
Reminds me (fondly) of this track:
That was Harmor. Good idea, I'll see what results that gives on breakbeats.
by justin3am; Sun Jan 20, 2013 11:55 am
Sendy wrote:I guess what I'm really asking is: what is the most punchy and dynamic pitch shifter?
I have never found one that I have been happy with for the kind of thing you are describing. I do use pitch shifters on breaks but using the artifacts and glitches as an effect.
That said, if your goal is mangling sounds, you may want to try the Eventide H3000 Factory plug-in or any of the ones I mentioned in my first post. Pitch Funk is also very good.
by Ah_Dziz; Sun Jan 20, 2013 3:23 pm
by deastman; Sun Jan 20, 2013 9:37 pm
I agree. Beat mangling in 1996 didn't involve any of the fancy modern techniques listed in this thread. The best you could hope for was slicing up a beat with Recycle, uploading the slices to your hardware sampler, and rearranging the associated MIDI data. Pitch shifting only amounted to playing a sample at a different rate, so it would play faster (higher) or slower (lower). Also common was resampling at a very low rate like 10khz for that bitcrushing sound we all know and love.Ah_Dziz wrote:Old school samplers didn't have granular pitch shifting in real time. Just use any software sample and the pitch wheel. you want to change the playback speed of the sound along with the pitch. there are some buffer manipulation plugins that will allow you to achieve these effects without loading your loop into a sampler. Try out artillery, dblue glitch, NI the finger, effectrix, and stuff like that. they should get you much closer. you want a non granular change of pitch.
The first mainstream sampler capable of any modern mangling techniques was the Roland VP-9000, which wasn't released until 2000.
Another technique from those days would be to play the sample back through an external pitch shifter. Oh, and Turbosynth, can't forget that!