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Native Instruments Reverb Classics (RC24 & RC48)

VST, AU, etc. plug-in Virtual Effects discussion

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keel
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559 posts since 27 Oct, 2004, from Inside the kick drum

Postby keel; Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:38 am

24 is really, really good. One of the best reverb there. It's sound just like I want reverb to sound. Truly awesome. Great work softube / NI. :clap:
miedex
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540 posts since 1 May, 2011

Postby miedex; Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:47 am

Not sure I'm liking what the 24 does to get its stereo image. I noticed a little extra high end sparkle coming in on the right side so I started crossfading between L/R and it seems kind of a funky.
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Cimbasso
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Postby Cimbasso; Thu Jan 24, 2013 2:29 am

@midnight wrote:
Shangsean wrote:It's probably very good, but when I can get B2 for a similar price, it's not so enticing.


Does B2 even have anything to do with the classic Lexicon sound...?


Also, B2 is like 10 times heavier on the CPU than RC 24/48 and Valhalla and PCM etc.

Well, I must admit that I didn't expect much after listening to those dreadful demos on the NI site. But they are pretty great and since I'm mainly working with scoring stuff, I prefer 48. Great GUI, natural, transparent sound. As good as Relab's plugin is..and much cheaper + doesn't require damn iLok.
Giusmex
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781 posts since 20 Mar, 2010

Postby Giusmex; Thu Jan 24, 2013 3:03 am

i really like how they sound; but they simply cost too much;


ill wait for the 50% discount period
Galbanum
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1252 posts since 12 Sep, 2008

Postby Galbanum; Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:07 am

@midnight wrote:
Shangsean wrote:It's probably very good, but when I can get B2 for a similar price, it's not so enticing.


Does B2 even have anything to do with the classic Lexicon sound...?


Thankfully no. :) Not that I see anything wrong with "the lexicon sound" but the way I see it is if you want "the lexicon sound" you have about a billion options now. If you want the 2CAudio sound, you have only one... :D

Back in the "glory days" a studio might have a 480 and TC System 6000 and an Eventide 8000 etc. Today you can choose any one of the plethora of good Lex clones (or Lexicon itself), and a 2CAudio verb or two of your choice and cover a lot of ground...
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Galbanum
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1252 posts since 12 Sep, 2008

Postby Galbanum; Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:15 am

Cimbasso wrote:Also, B2 is like 10 times heavier on the CPU than RC 24/48 and Valhalla and PCM etc.



Can be, true. Depends on the preset. Lowest CPU usage preset compared to highest might be approaching a factor of 1:200! Lowest will be below these other products (but lowest CPU usage presets are more geared towards delay FXs in our case). Highest will be MUCH higher, as you state. Average preset will be higher, agreed.

Our algs are simply more complex than the "nested allpass loop" structure used by Lex and clones. We use a modern approach, and achieve completely artifact-free behavior which remains uncommon even now based on my recent analysis...
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4damind
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3426 posts since 17 Aug, 2004, from Berlin, Germany

Postby 4damind; Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:18 am

Galbanum wrote:We use a modern approach, and achieve completely artifact-free behavior which remains uncommon even now based on my recent analysis...

Would you say this is also true with the newest reverbs eg. from Exponential Audio?
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Galbanum
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1252 posts since 12 Sep, 2008

Postby Galbanum; Thu Jan 24, 2013 6:27 am

4damind wrote:
Galbanum wrote:We use a modern approach, and achieve completely artifact-free behavior which remains uncommon even now based on my recent analysis...

Would you say this is also true with the newest reverbs eg. from Exponential Audio?


I would rather not talk about other company's specific products out of respect for them and general politeness given my understanding of the tremendous amount of work that goes into bringing a reverb plug-in to market...

Many of the recent products have some cool design features. It's a cool time for reverbs in general.
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xerxes[no]
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113 posts since 13 May, 2006, from Norway

Postby xerxes[no]; Thu Jan 24, 2013 10:21 am

Galbanum wrote:
4damind wrote:
Galbanum wrote:We use a modern approach, and achieve completely artifact-free behavior which remains uncommon even now based on my recent analysis...

Would you say this is also true with the newest reverbs eg. from Exponential Audio?


I would rather not talk about other company's specific products out of respect for them and general politeness given my understanding of the tremendous amount of work that goes into bringing a reverb plug-in to market...

Many of the recent products have some cool design features. It's a cool time for reverbs in general.


Indeed it is! I really do love my Aether.. and B2 also. And I like the Valhalla plugs also. But I did not own any of the other Lex specific plugins, and I am really really loving the sound of these two badboys. I know this is really dumb to say because I wake up with far too much gas often.. but I feel pretty much covered as far as reverbs go now. :)

Good work Softtube and NI!
sergiofrias
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215 posts since 22 May, 2009, from Portugal,Azores (faial island)

Postby sergiofrias; Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:21 pm

Here is a little tip to emulate the exact frequency response of the original Lexicon 224 with valhalla vintageverb (or any other reverb emulation plugin).
As you probably know, the audio bandwidth of the original 224 was around 8kHz (due to 20kHz sampling rate).after analyzing the NI RC 24 with voxengo spam,i found out that the bandwith was at 8.2 khz ,valhalla vintageverb is at 11.2 khz,so to emulate that response just use voxengo curveEQ or any other eq with a hard cutoff (as shown in the image below)at 8.2 khz.

My audio tests (after carefully placing the freq. crossovers and decay times at the low/medium/high frequencies) between valhalla vintageverb (bright hall algo.)and NI RC 24 (hall algo.)was almost identical. :)

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hibidy
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40446 posts since 20 Dec, 2005

Postby hibidy; Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:35 pm

Well VVV doesn't exactly suck :lol:

I don't know, I really have no need for verbs other than to make huge overthetop guitar mega 80's sounds to play the same 3 chords over, but man, these are absolutely fantastic for that! :wheee:
TheoM
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18925 posts since 4 Sep, 2001, from Melbourne Australia

Postby TheoM; Thu Jan 24, 2013 12:42 pm

ok these sounds stunning. Will not go much more into it, but they are highly on my list.
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valhallasound
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2826 posts since 14 Nov, 2006, from Pacific NW

Postby valhallasound; Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:04 pm

sergiofrias wrote:Here is a little tip to emulate the exact frequency response of the original Lexicon 224 with valhalla vintageverb (or any other reverb emulation plugin).
As you probably know, the audio bandwidth of the original 224 was around 8kHz (due to 20kHz sampling rate).after analyzing the NI RC 24 with voxengo spam,i found out that the bandwith was at 8.2 khz ,valhalla vintageverb is at 11.2 khz,so to emulate that response just use voxengo curveEQ or any other eq with a hard cutoff (as shown in the image below)at 8.2 khz.

My audio tests (after carefully placing the freq. crossovers and decay times at the low/medium/high frequencies) between valhalla vintageverb (bright hall algo.)and NI RC 24 (hall algo.)was almost identical. :)

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Interesting. To say the least. :D

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Liero
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676 posts since 6 Mar, 2004

Postby Liero; Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:24 pm

sergiofrias wrote:... was almost identical. :)


Can you please put this into more quantifiable language? To what dbFS level does a comparison signal null?

I ask because I've noticed that there are people here who can't hear a difference between... well, anything. :)

EDIT = Just by quickly testing this by ear, I can't get VVV to sound anywhere near "identical" to the RC24.
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hibidy
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40446 posts since 20 Dec, 2005

Postby hibidy; Thu Jan 24, 2013 1:27 pm

I was wondering when this was going to happen and now it's going to take the fun out demoing these :lol: Someone is going to come up with all the down things about them "technically" instead of the joy of just listening to them :hihi:
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