KVR Audio

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:00 am

bungle wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:Remember to look at this from different angles. For instance: You have this company that starts out with a simple and streamlined product. You build up a user base and of course you would like to please them all; Your survival depends upon them.
Well of course you are making little to no sense with this sentiment, remember to look at this from the angle of "Free lifetime updates" which actually means that your survival is not dependent on previous customers what so ever, it is in fact dependent on new sales, so either
1 They just added those features because they wanted them themselves
2 New users would not buy the app unless it has those features

bailees7irish · Post by **bailees7irish** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:01 am

elassi wrote:
whet wrote:Seems like IL is goin to work on the GUI for the next FL version,looks just like a new skin though.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4K1RdkkqicQ
Listen to the background music: Games without frontiers / P. Gabriel (with the incredible Kate Bush)

That song kicks ass!

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 8:23 am

bungle wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:Remember to look at this from different angles. For instance: You have this company that starts out with a simple and streamlined product. You build up a user base and of course you would like to please them all; Your survival depends upon them.
Well of course you are making little to no sense with this sentiment, remember to look at this from the angle of "Free lifetime updates" which actually means that your survival is not dependent on previous customers what so ever, it is in fact dependent on new sales, so either
1 They just added those features because they wanted them themselves
2 New users would not buy the app unless it has those features

So you do not think that the wishes of present users is something that indicates whether you will find new users?

Suit yourself but for your own sake, do not choose a career as a salesman.

T-CM11 · Post by **T-CM11** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 9:09 am

TheoM wrote:Are you saying I couldn't have a track dedicated to say mod wheel or pitch and move them on the keyboard and record the movements? Wow

No, not saying that. You can have a track dedicated to mod wheel or pitch or any other incoming CC, but you'll have to link it via an internal 'controller' first.
http://www.image-line.com/support/FLHel ... inking.htm

musikmachine wrote:Are you sure about the midi ports? I've been using the mkdr editor without issues but they're selectable from within. I thought the midi ports were meant to address things like that anyway.

I forgot to add something: there's no problem, unless you want the hardware to receive Midi Clock from FL Studio. (because the ports are occupied by the editor) A workaround is to route clock out of the host via a virtual midi port to the synth with MidiOX. And you still need a multi-client midi interface to do that of course.

musikmachine · Post by **musikmachine** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 3:06 pm

I'll have to check it later but i'm pretty sure the mopho is receiving sync as well. I normally tempo match cause there's a slight drift with the mophos clock but i'm sure it synced when i tried it...

whet · Post by **whet** » Tue Nov 05, 2013 7:21 pm

musikmachine wrote:I'll have to check it later but i'm pretty sure the mopho is receiving sync as well. I normally tempo match cause there's a slight drift with the mophos clock but i'm sure it synced when i tried it...

Same with my A4, but behaves like that with reaper or studio one aswell.

AcidDean · Post by **AcidDean** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 10:39 pm

Due to work I took a break from making electronic music as a hobby for the past 4 months or so. Burnt out.

After listening to some Underworld on Monday night I Fired up FL studio for the first time in ages and ... went to bed at 5 in the morning after many hours of happy beat making and bashing out riffs. Tried doing some Underworld type stuff - did it. Tried doing some FSOL type stuff - did it. Loved it.

Addicted again! Could happily mess around in FL for 8 hours a day.

Not sure why people find it particularly hard - I tried all the DAWs that were ever promoted on the Computer Music Magazine CDs but always found FL the easiest. if you need to know "how do I sidechain?" etc etc then there are countless video tuts.

Perfomance mode takes it into new territory.

Tried a demo of Abelton live last night for the first time in about two years - I love the clips triggering and general workflow but for me the small screen area at bottom with piano roll, synths etc is too small and fiddly for my eyesight.

FL studio's piano roll is superb. Step sequencer remains one of the best - perhaps the best in the business - and I see its features appearing in other software like Geist and Spark.

Create a beat - clone it, alter pattern slightly , clone it, alter pattern slightly, clone it - in 3 minutes I've got 32 patterns of nice beats ready to trigger live - fantastic.

The included synths etc are all pretty much fantastic - it's everything someone into 4/4 electronic music needs to get started with and compared to what you would have paid for a synth in the early 1990s it's a dream.

I look at the Octatrack and like the look of it a lot but then I think - well I could just use Fruity...

Looking forward to buying and using Tal bassline in it.

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Wed Nov 06, 2013 11:16 pm

IncarnateX wrote:
bungle wrote:
IncarnateX wrote:Remember to look at this from different angles. For instance: You have this company that starts out with a simple and streamlined product. You build up a user base and of course you would like to please them all; Your survival depends upon them.
Well of course you are making little to no sense with this sentiment, remember to look at this from the angle of "Free lifetime updates" which actually means that your survival is not dependent on previous customers what so ever, it is in fact dependent on new sales, so either
1 They just added those features because they wanted them themselves
2 New users would not buy the app unless it has those features
So you do not think that the wishes of present users is something that indicates whether you will find new users?

Suit yourself but for your own sake, do not choose a career as a salesman.

And for every company on the planet earth you really do not ever want to be a salesman.
Of course wishes of current users have zero benefit to finding new customers and in fact normally always the opposite, long time users tend to want all the little niggles fixed, and guess what, those little niggles do nothing for salesman headlines.
Looking for new customers always equates to headline making features, in fact in this case if IL where to take into account current users then FLS would have still been a very different beast to what it is now (You can go check the forum yourself before more lifetime update/user input talk)

hibidy · Post by **hibidy** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 1:12 am

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:35 am

bungle wrote:Of course wishes of current users have zero benefit to finding new customers and in fact normally always the opposite, long time users tend to want all the little niggles fixed, and guess what, those little niggles do nothing for salesman headlines.
Looking for new customers always equates to headline making features, in fact in this case if IL where to take into account current users then FLS would have still been a very different beast to what it is now (You can go check the forum yourself before more lifetime update/user input talk)

So you think that when current users come to e.g. KVR and complain about the lack of this and that about FL it will have zero effect on potential customers? Or a guy who buys the basic version and ask a fellow user if the pro version has this or that feature because he might upgrade? And you still see absolutely no connection between the wishes of present users and what potential users want to buy? What an impressive lack of imagination. If I had hired you for my company, you would surely be fired now.

BTW IM probably do what most companies seem to do, namely partly follow their own ideas of what sell while at the same time take the wishes of their current users into account Or is your claim that IM give shit about the wishes of their current users? I guess their "to do" thread in which you can post suggestions on their forum site must be a hoax then! Those bastards, fooling people like that!

bungle · Post by **bungle** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 10:51 am

You really have zero knowledge at all about how marketing departments work and how they are motivated, good luck with your business

IncarnateX · Post by **IncarnateX** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 11:15 am

bungle wrote:You really have zero knowledge at all about how marketing departments work and how they are motivated, good luck with your business

Only God and Image Line know in this case, but your idea that seems to imply that internet discussions and rumors based on present users do not affect sales and further that IM do not take the wishes of users into account seems very naive to me.

(BTW: My business was quite hypothetical if that is of any comfort to you).

Cheers

macmurphy · Post by **macmurphy** » Thu Nov 07, 2013 6:01 pm

macmurphy wrote:right. i'm going to demo this thing and see if it's as nonsensical as some have hinted at. i'm intrigued.

i couldn't get on with this at all. i'm not saying there's anything wrong with FL Studio but trying it out reminded me how great it is when you find a DAW (or DAWS) that works for you and enables you to get on with being creative without fussing around.

i use Reaper (and Live for sound design) and i know quite a few folks who hate it but it just clicked with me (and my inner geek) and i can get things done faster in it and feel more comfortable with it than anything i've used before.

it is the results that count in the end, of course.

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 1:08 am

Tronam wrote:...but for whatever reason FL's design workflow defies my expectations at almost every turn, save for the initial step sequencer beat window that pops up at launch.

Perhaps this may help...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RQDvnfleST0

Regards Scott

Image-Line · Post by **Image-Line** » Fri Nov 08, 2013 2:48 am

FWIW: The popularity of FL Studio really is no secret to us at least...

-2. We became the darling of the Hip-Hop community at the right time and place in the development of the software music industry. Right time, right place, right product. This gave us a very important kick start.

-1. EDM (excuse the term if it offends you) also exploded in the last 8 years and FL Studio being an excellent electronic music production platform meant we were set to ride another wave (and still on it).

...multiplied by...

1. Lifetime Free Updates - mean that our active user pool continues to grow year on year. Even when people move away from music for a while and come back, or move to other DAW software, they still have FL Studio around and tend to keep using it. We have some insights to what happens with our competition and there is a reasonable amount of churn as people faced with the next $199 upgrade opt to try something else.

The size of our active/registered user base has been growing for the last 15 years...any time we have discussed numbers with business partners who have some idea of the size of our competitors, eyebrows go a long way up. And so, this means that when it comes to word of mouth we get a lot of positive support from happy long term customers who haven't had to pay a cent for years (over a decade even) for an update.

2. Instant gratification - FL Studio is ready to start making something that sounds like music (percussion) immediately after it's installed. The step-sequencer is sitting there waiting to be abused. It also ships with a bunch of pretty impressive demo projects (IMO we have the best set of demos in the business) covering a wide rage of styles. This gives new users a good idea of what the program is capable of.

3. Piano roll - After using it for a while its very hard for many people to live with anything else.

Yes a lot of people try the a cracked version FL Studio, but the number of cracks available for other DAW platforms are similar (we keep count) and just as easy to find. We get 30,000 to 45,000 'demo' downloads a day, and indeed a chunk of this is people downloading the installer to crack it. But whatever the reason it does give you some idea of how popular FL Studio is.

I don't know why our success seems to cause the stir it does, probably because we are not Mac based and producers/musicians (despite being 'individuals' and pursuing 'artistic freedom') seem to gravitate to the same platforms and hardware, one where FL Studio doesn't traditionally have a presence. Perhaps it's because FL Studio is not an audio-recording traditional linear DAW....and anyone who is a real musician/producer is surely needing to track a band?

...but this is a generational thing, we are seeing more and more professional acts loud and proud using FL Studio (headlining many of last years dance festivals AVICII, Afrojack, Porter Robinson, Madeon, BT, Seven Lions, Cazzette etc). Perhaps the sniggering is down from a dull roar to a murmur these days. I mean, a while back the word DJ was an insult, but now people seem happy to wear it. How things change

FL Studio still the top dog!