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Recant - ElectroProg (Seismic Backtracking)

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KVRAF
 
6104 posts since 13 Mar, 2009, from UK
  

Postby seismic1; Sun Dec 01, 2013 1:15 pm

Michael Corleone wrote:Just when I thought I was out, they pull me back in


This took about 10 hours to record in November 2010, and marked a brief revisitation to the TranceFusion project, which I assumed was some 4 months behind me. Never say never. The November 2013 Edit/Remix/Master took a further 11 hours, and involved a little sound design, and the usual shenanigans. This track is actually quite minimal in terms of instrumentation. 8 instances of SynthMaster 2.5 on this remix and 1 sampled Akai XR-10 kit. SDRR on the master bus

Original here:-

mp3/192kbps/6:23/8.8MB

or, on SoundCloud, the latest version with added oomph:-

http://soundcloud.com/whatsisname/recant

Recorded in EnergyXT2.5.4/Remixed in EnergyXT2.7beta

SynthMaster2.5
EnergyXT Drum Sampler
Microtrance
IK CSR
EnergyXT Bit Crusher
Blue Cat Flanger
SDRR
T-Racks Linear Phase EQ
T-Racks Opto Compressor
T-Racks Vintage Equalizer
T-Racks Brickwall Limiter

DR - 13
Last edited by seismic1 on Wed Dec 11, 2013 3:39 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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KVRAF
 
4235 posts since 5 Aug, 2006, from UK - Here!
  

Postby folderol; Sun Dec 01, 2013 2:48 pm

Nice work. Really like that bass. Interesting change around the 3min mark. Then after the organ dropdown at 4:00 it just gets better and better!

{buggritt. Steadily de-bumping my own track!}
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Narcissistic Messiah
 
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Postby Emerald Tablet; Sun Dec 01, 2013 4:29 pm

lovely riff!

loved it so much that i quickly made something around it

www.youreallfree.com/music/recant.mp3
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KVRAF
 
6104 posts since 13 Mar, 2009, from UK
  

Postby seismic1; Sun Dec 01, 2013 6:15 pm

folderol wrote:Nice work. Really like that bass. Interesting change around the 3min mark. Then after the organ dropdown at 4:00 it just gets better and better!

{buggritt. Steadily de-bumping my own track!}


Thanks very much for listening, Will. Glad you liked it :)

I think that bass was a modified SM factory preset, as was the TG and the distorted synth in the middle section. All of the other sounds were unmodded presets.
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KVRAF
 
6104 posts since 13 Mar, 2009, from UK
  

Postby seismic1; Mon Dec 02, 2013 6:03 pm

Emerald Tablet wrote:lovely riff!

loved it so much that i quickly made something around it

www.youreallfree.com/music/recant.mp3



Thanks very much for listening, commenting, and glad you liked it, Remmie :D

I loved the sounds and tune that you built. You have that chinese-sounding shenai, the various effected 'tron sounds, the typewriter percussion, and some great reverb action going on. It all fits like a glove.

I love it :tu:
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KVRAF
 
2228 posts since 18 Jul, 2008, from New York
  

Postby Frantz; Mon Dec 02, 2013 7:50 pm

The opening 1.5 minutes are a tough slog because that "rave" patch sounds tired to me. Things improve afterwards but the synth sounds keep dampening my enthusiasm. The composition is very solid but unfortunately the SynthMaster presets don't do much for me.

I start enjoying the piece from 3:54 onwards. The organ break is interesting and the arp provides a lift to the dance elements. The drum programming is very good as usual. The piece remains energetic until the ending.

I am hoping Santa puts a Zebra or ACE in your stocking. :)
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Postby D.H. Miltz; Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:09 pm

I'm also more fond of the last few minutes than the first few, but all in all I enjoyed it. Thanks.
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KVRAF
 
6104 posts since 13 Mar, 2009, from UK
  

Postby seismic1; Wed Dec 04, 2013 6:51 pm

Frantz wrote:The opening 1.5 minutes are a tough slog because that "rave" patch sounds tired to me. Things improve afterwards but the synth sounds keep dampening my enthusiasm. The composition is very solid but unfortunately the SynthMaster presets don't do much for me.

I start enjoying the piece from 3:54 onwards. The organ break is interesting and the arp provides a lift to the dance elements. The drum programming is very good as usual. The piece remains energetic until the ending.

I am hoping Santa puts a Zebra or ACE in your stocking. :)


Damn. I spent a while reverse-engineering that gated patch from an audio-render of the original track made in 2010 before my old computer curled up its tootsies and took SynthMaster 2.0 with it :)

Actually, I've had comments on some of the gated synth patches used on previous tracks (Citron, in particular). Maybe I'll revisit this someday. The thing with SynthMaster is that everything is configurable, so I should be able to get some great sounds from it.

I like the sound of the XR-10 kit. It's on a couple of other upcoming tracks.

I really would like to get hold of Zebra, maybe 2014 will be the year :)

Thanks very much for listening and commenting, Frantz. Glad you liked at least some of this :)
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KVRAF
 
2228 posts since 18 Jul, 2008, from New York
  

Postby Frantz; Wed Dec 04, 2013 7:53 pm

I just listened to Recant again. I am again getting the impression that many of the synths sound dark and murky. I don't know if it's SDRR on the master bus, the sound of SynthMaster, or perhaps the mix is bass heavy?

seismic1 wrote:Actually, I've had comments on some of the gated synth patches used on previous tracks (Citron, in particular).


There is a similar gated sound at 0:53 featured on the title track of Citron. While it's not my favorite sound, it is good; it has bounciness, movement, and life to it. On Recant, the gated sound is more lifeless and static. I think it would be better with more stereo effects if you are going to solo it like that.

I agree the drums sound very good. I think the track is well composed and it is exciting when it kicks into gear. Another Remake/Remodel of Recant could be worthwhile. :)
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Postby layzer; Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:33 pm

gonna have to agree with the others... but i think its the timing of the gate that messes it up because the tone itself is nice... here we have the same gated part in sync with a drum n bass part...

https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/test

with a little TLC i can hear it sit in there real smooth with the rest.... :tu: :x :D
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KVRAF
 
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Postby Frantz; Wed Dec 04, 2013 9:58 pm

layzer wrote:i think its the timing of the gate that messes it up

+ 1

I didn't mention it but I was also thinking this. The timing between the gated synth and the bass line is subtly out of sync.

Layzer: Very cool demo! Four on the floor kicks with a 16th note bass line really energizes that gated synth. :wheee:

The arp at 4:39 in Recant has a similar energetic effect and could probably be featured earlier.
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KVRAF
 
6104 posts since 13 Mar, 2009, from UK
  

Postby seismic1; Thu Dec 05, 2013 2:56 pm

D.H. Miltz wrote:I'm also more fond of the last few minutes than the first few, but all in all I enjoyed it. Thanks.


Thanks very much for the listen and the comments, DHM. Glad you liked it :)

I see a pattern emerging :lol:
KVRAF
 
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Postby polyslax; Thu Dec 05, 2013 3:15 pm

Some really interesting synth and percussion work in here Tim... and I love the bass parts. The 4:50ish arp lead is sweet too. Agreed with the fellas above that the timing of that riff made me a bit dizzy, otherwise, :tu:
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KVRAF
 
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Postby seismic1; Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:21 pm

Frantz wrote:I just listened to Recant again. I am again getting the impression that many of the synths sound dark and murky. I don't know if it's SDRR on the master bus, the sound of SynthMaster, or perhaps the mix is bass heavy?


I think it's probably the patches I used. I don't usually go for very bassy mixes, and I haven't noticed a problem with SDRR, but the synths on here do sound a little on the bassy side relative to my norm.

Frantz wrote:
seismic1 wrote:Actually, I've had comments on some of the gated synth patches used on previous tracks (Citron, in particular).


There is a similar gated sound at 0:53 featured on the title track of Citron. While it's not my favorite sound, it is good; it has bounciness, movement, and life to it. On Recant, the gated sound is more lifeless and static. I think it would be better with more stereo effects if you are going to solo it like that.


I have re-arranged the track a little. That gated synth has had a little more life added. I have added another gated synth which sits better with the rhythm, and I added another bassline.

Frantz wrote:I agree the drums sound very good. I think the track is well composed and it is exciting when it kicks into gear. Another Remake/Remodel of Recant could be worthwhile. :)


I'll probably mix it on Sunday. The character of the track has changed, especially towards the end.
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KVRAF
 
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Postby seismic1; Fri Dec 06, 2013 6:45 pm

layzer wrote:gonna have to agree with the others... but i think its the timing of the gate that messes it up because the tone itself is nice... here we have the same gated part in sync with a drum n bass part...

https://soundcloud.com/layzerkvr/test

with a little TLC i can hear it sit in there real smooth with the rest.... :tu: :x :D


You're right. That timing is out of whack with the rest of the track. I've made a few changes. I need to remix it on Sunday. I decided to add a second gate with a different pattern to change the feel of the track, and an extra bassline at the end.

I love that synth bass on your remix :tu:
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