Bitwig

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:03 am

ok, I've created a topic for this:

so...

it's not something crucial (would be nice to see it in BWS v3 ) but I'm still wondering why there is no direct connection/linking/ghosting possibility between the launcher and arrangement clips (or between the launcher clips or b1etween the arrangement clips etc. ) as was in Project5, the track based pattern ( horizontal FL Studio

) editing was a very cool/clever idea IMO

there is a nice video about the concept here :

http://www.sonicstate.com/news/2005/04/ ... ject-5-v2/

from 2:30

so seems the BWS guys have taken many elements from P5 except the main one

the patterns, and I miss this feature very much (I'm mainly an FL Studio user u know

and I think BWS was created for electronic type of music originally so a bit strange why there is no patterns in it

)

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 06, 2014 6:33 am

xbitz wrote:
I'm still wondering why there is no direct connection/linking possibility between the launcher and arrangement clips as was in Project5, the track based pattern ( horizontal FL Studio ) editing was a very cool/clever idea IMO

there is a nice video about the concept here :

What do you mean by direct connection/linking between launcher and arrangement? You can record the played clips from launcher into arrangement. You can designate specific tracks to play the launcher while the rest play arrangement. You can drag clips back and forth... and so on... what else do you want?

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue May 06, 2014 7:09 am

pdxindy wrote: What do you mean by direct connection/linking between launcher and arrangement?

how can u change all of them in the similar fashion way ( if u have a clip which has been re-used zillion places in a project ) ?

Ogopogo · Post by **Ogopogo** » Tue May 06, 2014 7:13 am

He's talking about ghost/linked clips. Copy a clip into or out of the launcher, and whatever changes you make in one show up in the other.

xbitz · Post by **xbitz** » Tue May 06, 2014 7:42 am

yepp, just download P5 from http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowled ... 2-5-Update and play its clips a bit

u gonna miss this feature from BWS instantly (unfortunately the automation model in P5 is a totally useless one, and it hasn't got multi-core CPU support so cmon Bitwig

)

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Tue May 06, 2014 3:45 pm

xbitz wrote:yepp, just download P5 from http://www.cakewalk.com/Support/Knowled ... 2-5-Update and play its clips a bit u gonna miss this feature from BWS instantly (unfortunately the automation model in P5 is a totally useless one, and it hasn't got multi-core CPU support so cmon Bitwig )

Ahh... reference or ghost clips... yeah, there is a convenience with that...

koalaboy · Post by **koalaboy** » Wed May 07, 2014 5:02 am

This is one thing that's preventing me 'buying in' to Bitwig at the moment. It's the same problem I have with Live.

Most other DAWs have ghost/reference/linked/alias clips, and it's something I use a lot.

What's worse, is that if you duplicate clips in Bitwig (or Live) and then change one of them, the names will not be altered if they were set, such that you now have multiple items called the same thing, that are different - this is something the DAW should handle, ensuring it's obvious that they differ.

As soon as ghost clips are implemented, I suspect I will own Bitwig. Until then, it's just another echo of Live to haunt me :/

Please Bitwig, add this, or at least state whether it will happen anytime soon !

llze · Post by **llze** » Wed May 07, 2014 6:34 am

koalaboy wrote:This is one thing that's preventing me 'buying in' to Bitwig at the moment. It's the same problem I have with Live.

Most other DAWs have ghost/reference/linked/alias clips, and it's something I use a lot.

What's worse, is that if you duplicate clips in Bitwig (or Live) and then change one of them, the names will not be altered if they were set, such that you now have multiple items called the same thing, that are different - this is something the DAW should handle, ensuring it's obvious that they differ.

As soon as ghost clips are implemented, I suspect I will own Bitwig. Until then, it's just another echo of Live to haunt me :/

Please Bitwig, add this, or at least state whether it will happen anytime soon !

maybe use the color tool to mark your altered regions? In cubase you also only got a region for example bass, then the names change to bass-1, bass-2, bass-3 etc..not very helpful at all i think.

pdxindy · Post by **pdxindy** » Wed May 07, 2014 6:39 am

I doubt I would use ghost clips much because I like to have variations. There are lots of features I want much more than that one.

In arrangement, you can drag a clip and loop it... which is a rudimentary ghost clip function.

--= Ju =-- · Post by **--= Ju =--** » Wed May 07, 2014 12:25 pm

I agree with the OP. I've got used to ghost / cloned clips in other DAWs so very much miss it in BWS.

Dragging a clip boundary to loop is fine for contiguous sections but the addition of cloned clips would be the best of both worlds.

Regards,

--= Ju =-- · Post by **--= Ju =--** » Tue May 13, 2014 5:06 pm

Bump....

digitalhobbit · Post by **digitalhobbit** » Mon Jan 19, 2015 5:50 am

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I feel the same way. Lack of support for alias/ghost clips is what's stopping me from buying Bitwig (same as it did with Ableton Live). I'm sticking with Logic Pro for now, but would really love to use Bitwig as soon as this functionality is added.

I wrote a blog post about this very topic today:
http://music.digitalhobbit.com/post/108 ... ctionality (http://music.digitalhobbit.com/post/108475643022/why-the-lack-of-alias-ghost-clip-functionality)

As I explain in my post, I'm surprised that more people aren't requesting this feature. Is this really such an unusual workflow demand?

jamesnw · Post by **jamesnw** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 12:49 am

I'm also waiting for this ability. I refuse to buy into anything that doesn't offer a modular approach in this manner, which greatly helps with drum tracks, etc. I routinely change drum patterns after completing a song draft, and I'd like to do so without having to dread going over and editing very single clip throughout the whole song; Just ridiculous really.

Regnas · Post by **Regnas** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 2:32 am

+1

I'm afraid of Bitwig's future...
Their priorities are starting to scare me...
They are leaving too many basic stuff behind and putting new stuff that people never asked for.... (who requested the new upcoming browser???)....

Hmmmm....

goatgirl · Post by **goatgirl** » Mon Jul 06, 2015 3:13 am

digitalhobbit wrote: I wrote a blog post about this very topic today:
http://music.digitalhobbit.com/post/108 ... ctionality

I can't be the only one who sees the irony of the article, when talking about the DRY principle.

Bitwig

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launcher and arrangement clip linking (the missing: patterns or reference clips concept)