Modular Synths...What Am I Missing?
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secretkillerofnames secretkillerofnames https://www.kvraudio.com/forum/memberlist.php?mode=viewprofile&u=283916
- KVRian
- 594 posts since 9 Jul, 2012
Oh I see. You want to make VSTs.
Well then... Synth Edit is about it.
I've tried just about every software modular there is (and still get new things like OSCillot - a Max For Live device).
Nothing beats the 15yr old Nord Modular.
Reaktor comes close but is not as accessible.
Being able to create crazy feedback networks and cross-plug control with audio signals is where it's at.
Bazille is the only VST I recall that can actually deal with this.
Well then... Synth Edit is about it.
I've tried just about every software modular there is (and still get new things like OSCillot - a Max For Live device).
Nothing beats the 15yr old Nord Modular.
Reaktor comes close but is not as accessible.
Being able to create crazy feedback networks and cross-plug control with audio signals is where it's at.
Bazille is the only VST I recall that can actually deal with this.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
While creating VSTs is a nice option, being able to use the modular AS a VST in my Cubase is a must. It appears WREN is just a standalone EXE which makes it totally unusable.secretkillerofnames wrote:Oh I see. You want to make VSTs.
Well then... Synth Edit is about it.
I've tried just about every software modular there is (and still get new things like OSCillot - a Max For Live device).
Nothing beats the 15yr old Nord Modular.
Reaktor comes close but is not as accessible.
Being able to create crazy feedback networks and cross-plug control with audio signals is where it's at.
Bazille is the only VST I recall that can actually deal with this.
I did recently get Bazille and love it even though I consider it semi modular.
I take it the 15 year old Nord Modular is a hardware synth, correct?
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- KVRAF
- 7540 posts since 7 Aug, 2003 from San Francisco Bay Area
The Nord Modular was hardware dsp with a software editor. Clavia did release a "demo" version which was a standalone software only version, with certain limitations compared to the hardware.
Incomplete list of my gear: 1/8" audio input jack.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Yeah, well that doesn't help me either.deastman wrote:The Nord Modular was hardware dsp with a software editor. Clavia did release a "demo" version which was a standalone software only version, with certain limitations compared to the hardware.
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Yeah, looks like until somebody comes out with the ultimate modular soft synth. MUX and KarmaFX are close but they're missing too many modules. Reaktor, you need a physics degree to really make a modular like what I'm looking for and I just don't have the time or patience to start digging into that thing and building my own.deastman wrote:It seems like you've already tried most of the likely candidates.
- KVRAF
- 4760 posts since 26 Apr, 2002 from the bogely factory
i use eXT 1.4 and make my own simple modules in SE.. http://www.spaceraiders.co.uk/sick.html
- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
Thanks but it's 32 bit and I'm on Windows 7 64 bit and most SynthEdit stuff doesn't work on my PC.spacedad wrote:i use eXT 1.4 and make my own simple modules in SE.. http://www.spaceraiders.co.uk/sick.html
- KVRAF
- 4760 posts since 26 Apr, 2002 from the bogely factory
so am i,you just put them in your program files (x86) folder.
- KVRAF
- 14943 posts since 26 Jun, 2006 from San Francisco Bay Area
WAT? NOOOOOOooooooooOoOoOoo!Winstontaneous wrote:I downloaded VAZ using Chrome (on Mac) last week and didn't get any errors.wagtunes wrote: Vaz I tried downloading the demo and Chrome gave me a virus warning and actually blocked the download. Wouldn't even give me the option of bypassing. Very strange.
Out of all the software modulars I've tried VAZ inspires me the most. I own KarmaFX, Tassman, Reaktor, Bazille, Kaivo, and Aalto; and have tried Sonigen, MUX, Void, VST Forx and pretty much everything else.
In VAZ it's trivial to set up multiple BPM clocks, microtonal scales (per instance, synth, or however many you want within a patch) and free-running (or synced) step, CV, or drum sequencers. There are enough low-levelish models to create elements similar to those found in Serge and Buchla synths. I've yet to hear a crazier (yet still-controllable) Comb or MS20 filter, even in this era of Zero Delay Filters. It has the only Granular implementation that sounds/feels "vintage" (if that makes sense--like what Dennis Gabor or Iannis Xenakis might have heard in their pioneering experiments).
Of course, it's 32 bit Windows only and no longer for sale as of the first of the year...
What does that mean?Sales of VAZ Synths products have been suspended in order to comply with the change in UK/EU cross-border VAT regulations effective 1st January 2015.
Anyway, I love VAZ. Ugly as hell, but easy to work in and sounds great. Raw. I've always thought it was a UI makeover away from being a top contender in the software modular department.
And, wagtunes, why don't you consider Zebra 2 to be a modular?
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- KVRAF
- Topic Starter
- 21191 posts since 8 Oct, 2014
I consider Zebra 2 semi modular because it's not completely open ended. You're limited to 4 OSC's, 4 FM OSC's and so on. Yeah, you can build a pretty big beast but to me, modular means I can have 16 OSC's if I want, like with Sonigen Modular, which may be the best free modular out there.zerocrossing wrote:WAT? NOOOOOOooooooooOoOoOoo!Winstontaneous wrote:I downloaded VAZ using Chrome (on Mac) last week and didn't get any errors.wagtunes wrote: Vaz I tried downloading the demo and Chrome gave me a virus warning and actually blocked the download. Wouldn't even give me the option of bypassing. Very strange.
Out of all the software modulars I've tried VAZ inspires me the most. I own KarmaFX, Tassman, Reaktor, Bazille, Kaivo, and Aalto; and have tried Sonigen, MUX, Void, VST Forx and pretty much everything else.
In VAZ it's trivial to set up multiple BPM clocks, microtonal scales (per instance, synth, or however many you want within a patch) and free-running (or synced) step, CV, or drum sequencers. There are enough low-levelish models to create elements similar to those found in Serge and Buchla synths. I've yet to hear a crazier (yet still-controllable) Comb or MS20 filter, even in this era of Zero Delay Filters. It has the only Granular implementation that sounds/feels "vintage" (if that makes sense--like what Dennis Gabor or Iannis Xenakis might have heard in their pioneering experiments).
Of course, it's 32 bit Windows only and no longer for sale as of the first of the year...
What does that mean?Sales of VAZ Synths products have been suspended in order to comply with the change in UK/EU cross-border VAT regulations effective 1st January 2015.
Anyway, I love VAZ. Ugly as hell, but easy to work in and sounds great. Raw. I've always thought it was a UI makeover away from being a top contender in the software modular department.
And, wagtunes, why don't you consider Zebra 2 to be a modular?
- Beware the Quoth
- 33109 posts since 4 Sep, 2001 from R'lyeh Oceanic Amusement Park and Funfair
...and everyone with a hardware modular bursts out laughing.... then starts crying.wagtunes wrote:I consider Zebra 2 semi modular because it's not completely open ended..
my other modular synth is a bugbrand
- u-he
- 28043 posts since 8 Aug, 2002 from Berlin
whyterabbyt wrote:...and everyone with a hardware modular bursts out laughing.... then starts crying.wagtunes wrote:I consider Zebra 2 semi modular because it's not completely open ended..
(that said, I'm fine with people finding Zebra semi-modular - certain aspects of classic modular synthesis are not available, such as circular routings and "audio rate everything". Which afaik are also not present in some of the softsynths that are commonly considered modular...)
- KVRian
- 1100 posts since 9 Jan, 2015 from NY, NY
Not only that, you can find RE's that allow you to have a more modular approach - doing it myself right now with these (pretty cheap too):wagtunes wrote:I am actually considering Reason but am waiting until I have the extra funds for it. It is a bit pricey but it's definitely on my watch list. Love the way Thor sounds and what you can do with it by itself. Probably after I do my taxes in April and get my refund, I'll look into it.
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- KVRist
- 37 posts since 30 Jul, 2014
Maybe a stupid question:
Is there a Software Modular which comes with no Midi and Patch saving?
Is there a Software Modular which comes with no Midi and Patch saving?